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<blockquote data-quote="Art Waring" data-source="post: 9880227" data-attributes="member: 7037141"><p>Hi folks,</p><p></p><p>Its been a while since I have visited the forums, as I personally chose to take a break, largely due to my own issues with generative-ai (or "Gen-Ai" for short). If you don't know me, the short answer is I am definitely not one to support it in any way. I have even made some pretty lengthy posts in the past here in regards to the ethical concerns, the environmental concerns, the potential pitfalls, and even the potential harm to artists like myself.</p><p></p><p>I was largely brushed off at the time, labelled as a Luddite (which you might find ironic, if you read up on history), while at the same time in other threads (like the thread where we were sharing news about our upcoming projects) I posted some of my cover art for my game, and was immediately followed by a post by someone else sharing their own game, all of it obviously Gen-AI, full of artifacts and missing fingers, and I honestly didn't want to be associated with that in any way.</p><p></p><p>I took down my artwork and deleted my posts, because I choose not to have my work placed next to gen-ai materials if I can help it. As someone who has been making art in various forms for over 30 years, from work on canvas, to work on concrete, to vinyl, to photography and now in digital mediums, I honestly have tried my best to just go my own way, do my own thing, and leave others to their own devices.</p><p></p><p>It certainly doesn't make the forums welcoming though, when you are constantly being reminded that artists are now seen as knuckle-dragging luddites for rejecting gen-ai.</p><p></p><p>////////////////////////////////////////////</p><p></p><p>That being said, I have been working on my own project for many, many years now, commissioned and worked with at least a half-dozen artists, done tons of artwork myself for the book, and still want a lot more artwork commissioned. </p><p></p><p>I also figured out early on that going full-color for the whole book was simply beyond my means. I have previously commissioned several full color pieces for the cover and some key characters, but the rest of the book is black & white lineart. Its much more affordable, and you can still have a great looking game without having to emulate the look of a pathfinder/dnd book. Tons of ttrpg's from the 90's have some really great B&W artwork.</p><p></p><p>You can also look at indie works like Into The Odd, which are made completely from stock art and public domain artworks put together in a very unique and creative way. You don't have to use gen-ai for anything.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Art Waring, post: 9880227, member: 7037141"] Hi folks, Its been a while since I have visited the forums, as I personally chose to take a break, largely due to my own issues with generative-ai (or "Gen-Ai" for short). If you don't know me, the short answer is I am definitely not one to support it in any way. I have even made some pretty lengthy posts in the past here in regards to the ethical concerns, the environmental concerns, the potential pitfalls, and even the potential harm to artists like myself. I was largely brushed off at the time, labelled as a Luddite (which you might find ironic, if you read up on history), while at the same time in other threads (like the thread where we were sharing news about our upcoming projects) I posted some of my cover art for my game, and was immediately followed by a post by someone else sharing their own game, all of it obviously Gen-AI, full of artifacts and missing fingers, and I honestly didn't want to be associated with that in any way. I took down my artwork and deleted my posts, because I choose not to have my work placed next to gen-ai materials if I can help it. As someone who has been making art in various forms for over 30 years, from work on canvas, to work on concrete, to vinyl, to photography and now in digital mediums, I honestly have tried my best to just go my own way, do my own thing, and leave others to their own devices. It certainly doesn't make the forums welcoming though, when you are constantly being reminded that artists are now seen as knuckle-dragging luddites for rejecting gen-ai. //////////////////////////////////////////// That being said, I have been working on my own project for many, many years now, commissioned and worked with at least a half-dozen artists, done tons of artwork myself for the book, and still want a lot more artwork commissioned. I also figured out early on that going full-color for the whole book was simply beyond my means. I have previously commissioned several full color pieces for the cover and some key characters, but the rest of the book is black & white lineart. Its much more affordable, and you can still have a great looking game without having to emulate the look of a pathfinder/dnd book. Tons of ttrpg's from the 90's have some really great B&W artwork. You can also look at indie works like Into The Odd, which are made completely from stock art and public domain artworks put together in a very unique and creative way. You don't have to use gen-ai for anything. [/QUOTE]
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