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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9880833" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>The context is always relevant.</p><p></p><p>No I didn't. I defined what digital art is, the only thing LLM's can actually produce, which is the key context of this whole discussion.</p><p></p><p>Like why the heck does it matter if art is also painting a physical paint brush on a physical canvas? Why does that have anything to do with the topic of whether a human can use a LLM as a tool to output art (oh wait, not art, digital art, I wouldn't want to be accused of redefining a word)</p><p></p><p>My definition wasn't incorrect for digital art though.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay. Can you accept that I thought the context should have made the implication and limitations apparent? If so, can you see why I think it fine to use the broader term art in place of the digital art subset given the context?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wasn't my definition creative intent alongside pixels being produced makes art? It's hard for me to understand why you think that wouldn't apply to minecraft? But in my opinion that would be art, sorry digitial art, and that clearly falls under the definition.</p><p></p><p>By the way, why did you call it art here instead of digital art? Are you redefining the word now? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Okay music isn't included in this definition. You got me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> But, so what? (nevermind that this whole discussion context has thus far been about LLM digital images).</p><p></p><p>I don't understand why instead of discussing my point where it does apply, that you are trying to point out places where it doesn't? What's the purpose there?</p><p></p><p>Like assume for a moment that my definition isn't broad enough and the context isn't clear enough. Does that really matter so long as it is accurate for some subset of art? The meat and potatoes is whether it's accurate for some subset of art not whether it should be broader or is accurate of all subsets of art. That is, unless it's not accurate for every subset of art, then it would still show how LLM's can be used by a human to produce art in at least one subset of art.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9880833, member: 6795602"] The context is always relevant. No I didn't. I defined what digital art is, the only thing LLM's can actually produce, which is the key context of this whole discussion. Like why the heck does it matter if art is also painting a physical paint brush on a physical canvas? Why does that have anything to do with the topic of whether a human can use a LLM as a tool to output art (oh wait, not art, digital art, I wouldn't want to be accused of redefining a word) My definition wasn't incorrect for digital art though. Okay. Can you accept that I thought the context should have made the implication and limitations apparent? If so, can you see why I think it fine to use the broader term art in place of the digital art subset given the context? Wasn't my definition creative intent alongside pixels being produced makes art? It's hard for me to understand why you think that wouldn't apply to minecraft? But in my opinion that would be art, sorry digitial art, and that clearly falls under the definition. By the way, why did you call it art here instead of digital art? Are you redefining the word now? ;) Okay music isn't included in this definition. You got me ;) But, so what? (nevermind that this whole discussion context has thus far been about LLM digital images). I don't understand why instead of discussing my point where it does apply, that you are trying to point out places where it doesn't? What's the purpose there? Like assume for a moment that my definition isn't broad enough and the context isn't clear enough. Does that really matter so long as it is accurate for some subset of art? The meat and potatoes is whether it's accurate for some subset of art not whether it should be broader or is accurate of all subsets of art. That is, unless it's not accurate for every subset of art, then it would still show how LLM's can be used by a human to produce art in at least one subset of art. [/QUOTE]
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