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<blockquote data-quote="Epic Meepo" data-source="post: 9882105" data-attributes="member: 57073"><p>There have been multiple times in my life when I've wanted to see a physical reference image for something I can picture in my head, and I've found a perfect match by conducting iterative Google image searches using carefully-worded search terms. Not just, "That image I found is good enough," but, "That image I found is exactly what I was picturing in my head!" (If your wondering how that's possible, it usually happens when I'm imagining how something I read in a book would look, and I discover a visual artist who read the same book and pictured it exactly the same way I did.)</p><p></p><p>I'd never say my ability to extract the exact image I'm looking for from a repository of existing image data constitutes me creating that image. I was being creative in my use of search terms and in the curation I performed, but my search terms didn't create the image I curated. (Compare to a photographer, who creates a 2D-image that didn't previously exist in that form anywhere in the world.) All the data points needed to display the exact image on my screen were already present in the data set I was querying before I started entering any search terms into my browser.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, I wouldn't claim to be the sole creator of an image I spliced together from several existing images I retrieved from the internet. At most, I did some creative editing of other artists' work in doing so. I wouldn't want to distribute the composite image I cobbled together from their work without getting all necessary permissions from those other contributing artists. I can't rightfully claim to have created all the visuals appearing in that image.</p><p></p><p>No, if someone instructs a chef to follow their recipe exactly, I won't give them credit for the dish the chef prepares. I'll give them credit for the recipe, and nothing more. In fact, if I hired someone to cook a dish for me and they used another person as a "tool the achieve [their] vision of the dish," I'd demand my money back, because that person isn't providing what I asked for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Epic Meepo, post: 9882105, member: 57073"] There have been multiple times in my life when I've wanted to see a physical reference image for something I can picture in my head, and I've found a perfect match by conducting iterative Google image searches using carefully-worded search terms. Not just, "That image I found is good enough," but, "That image I found is exactly what I was picturing in my head!" (If your wondering how that's possible, it usually happens when I'm imagining how something I read in a book would look, and I discover a visual artist who read the same book and pictured it exactly the same way I did.) I'd never say my ability to extract the exact image I'm looking for from a repository of existing image data constitutes me creating that image. I was being creative in my use of search terms and in the curation I performed, but my search terms didn't create the image I curated. (Compare to a photographer, who creates a 2D-image that didn't previously exist in that form anywhere in the world.) All the data points needed to display the exact image on my screen were already present in the data set I was querying before I started entering any search terms into my browser. Likewise, I wouldn't claim to be the sole creator of an image I spliced together from several existing images I retrieved from the internet. At most, I did some creative editing of other artists' work in doing so. I wouldn't want to distribute the composite image I cobbled together from their work without getting all necessary permissions from those other contributing artists. I can't rightfully claim to have created all the visuals appearing in that image. No, if someone instructs a chef to follow their recipe exactly, I won't give them credit for the dish the chef prepares. I'll give them credit for the recipe, and nothing more. In fact, if I hired someone to cook a dish for me and they used another person as a "tool the achieve [their] vision of the dish," I'd demand my money back, because that person isn't providing what I asked for. [/QUOTE]
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