Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
AI: Novel, Personalized, On Demand Media and its Potential Impact [+]
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 9215210" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>This is a rather interesting question, and I think a definite possible future. I've already tried using a chatbot to flesh out a scene, with me coming up with characters and then seeding the scene. It didn't work so well so far, but different chatbots would have different strengths and I'm sure that's something that could happen.</p><p></p><p>While I'm sure it can do customized content, I was looking at something closer to a freeform update of choose your own adventure. Not quite a one-on-one RPG, since I was acting more as a director than as a participant.</p><p></p><p>But picture being able to keep a three (or five) act structure in mind, pre-plan twists so it can foreshadow, and write to specifications. That would be pretty amazing.</p><p></p><p>When reading novel-length fiction, I look at wordcraft, plots, characters, empathy/likability to the PoV character(s), surprise (and by proxy continued interest), and satisfying endings.</p><p></p><p>My criteria for short form is much lighter, including leaving hanging threads that feel like they are part of a larger work. (Thank you Jay Lake for really making me realize that), and because of that it might be a better start for AI writing.</p><p></p><p>Wordcraft is interesting. Mimicing styles is somethign we've seen. But we've also seen a lot of insipid attempts to write poetry and the like. I think this could be done in a mimicry style - the LLMs are just statistics, what word comes next. I could picture people getting paid just to generate flowery (or whatever) prose in a consistent style in order to strengthen this. In the AI Art arena there are LoRAs and LyCORIS which are small models that have a strong influence on the output of the generative models - this one reproduces this actor or character, this one does high tech armor, etc. An equivilent in the written could give style. Picture authors - or whatever the appropriate term is - whom are paid to produce in a particular style but not worry about plot or characterization. Just to be able to train against to have the writing come out with a particular desired style.</p><p></p><p>I had a lot of problems with characters when I was trying things, but from a technology perspective I know that's able to be overcome in the way they do context right now.</p><p></p><p>Coherent, and more importantly <em>tight</em> plots that go through a whole work I think are farther from what we have right now. Again though, that might be a place where AI is used as a tool as opposed to an author-replacement. Authors today have to master a number of different skills, and there are some that work as teams (such as the ones who wrote the Expanse books) or even as shared pseudonyms. Imagine where there are people who are very good at specific parts of those skills, and that can be supplimented by AI writing.</p><p></p><p>Now, AI screenwriting can combine with AI illustration and or AI voicing, and will get to AI video. So once this takes off, expanding across multiple medias is something I see as likely.</p><p></p><p>BTW, likely one of the the first large scale commercial use of customized writing will be in the erotica genre, as people have their personal mix of desire they would want to see realized, plus the more personal nature cries out to one-on-one entertainment instead of for-the-masses entertainment. But historically they pushed a lot of tech, especially about the web, so this shouldn't be too surprising.</p><p></p><p>To summarize, I think that both fully AI-generated personalized quality media will come, but that AI tools to help various parts of the process working in tandem with human creators, will be a strong step that is closer than many expect.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 9215210, member: 20564"] This is a rather interesting question, and I think a definite possible future. I've already tried using a chatbot to flesh out a scene, with me coming up with characters and then seeding the scene. It didn't work so well so far, but different chatbots would have different strengths and I'm sure that's something that could happen. While I'm sure it can do customized content, I was looking at something closer to a freeform update of choose your own adventure. Not quite a one-on-one RPG, since I was acting more as a director than as a participant. But picture being able to keep a three (or five) act structure in mind, pre-plan twists so it can foreshadow, and write to specifications. That would be pretty amazing. When reading novel-length fiction, I look at wordcraft, plots, characters, empathy/likability to the PoV character(s), surprise (and by proxy continued interest), and satisfying endings. My criteria for short form is much lighter, including leaving hanging threads that feel like they are part of a larger work. (Thank you Jay Lake for really making me realize that), and because of that it might be a better start for AI writing. Wordcraft is interesting. Mimicing styles is somethign we've seen. But we've also seen a lot of insipid attempts to write poetry and the like. I think this could be done in a mimicry style - the LLMs are just statistics, what word comes next. I could picture people getting paid just to generate flowery (or whatever) prose in a consistent style in order to strengthen this. In the AI Art arena there are LoRAs and LyCORIS which are small models that have a strong influence on the output of the generative models - this one reproduces this actor or character, this one does high tech armor, etc. An equivilent in the written could give style. Picture authors - or whatever the appropriate term is - whom are paid to produce in a particular style but not worry about plot or characterization. Just to be able to train against to have the writing come out with a particular desired style. I had a lot of problems with characters when I was trying things, but from a technology perspective I know that's able to be overcome in the way they do context right now. Coherent, and more importantly [I]tight[/I] plots that go through a whole work I think are farther from what we have right now. Again though, that might be a place where AI is used as a tool as opposed to an author-replacement. Authors today have to master a number of different skills, and there are some that work as teams (such as the ones who wrote the Expanse books) or even as shared pseudonyms. Imagine where there are people who are very good at specific parts of those skills, and that can be supplimented by AI writing. Now, AI screenwriting can combine with AI illustration and or AI voicing, and will get to AI video. So once this takes off, expanding across multiple medias is something I see as likely. BTW, likely one of the the first large scale commercial use of customized writing will be in the erotica genre, as people have their personal mix of desire they would want to see realized, plus the more personal nature cries out to one-on-one entertainment instead of for-the-masses entertainment. But historically they pushed a lot of tech, especially about the web, so this shouldn't be too surprising. To summarize, I think that both fully AI-generated personalized quality media will come, but that AI tools to help various parts of the process working in tandem with human creators, will be a strong step that is closer than many expect. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
AI: Novel, Personalized, On Demand Media and its Potential Impact [+]
Top