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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8663533" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Why would you need "a private area only the men of the household can retreat to in order to get away from the dangers of the world"?Like...you keep acting like the inclusion of "male harems" would somehow balance the scales. It wouldn't. It would just create a thing with no reason whatsoever to exist. Harems, the actual real-world practice of maintaining a whole wing of the household where only women (and the man of the house) were allowed to go, arose from two goals. First, and most obviously, to give the man of the house control over the women in his life, particularly his wives and daughters. Secondly, but more fundamentally, these places were legitimately meant to safeguard the women of the house from (unfortunately, often very real) threats, such as bandits or sexual assault by guests. If you have brought in gender equality such that women are recognized as economic, political, and (perhaps most importantly) combat equals, and have avoided (as most people would...) the whole sexual assault thing, then there is no reason to have harems in the first place.You will have removed the control aspect, and removed any need for the protection aspect. Your "male harems" would be, quite simply, ridiculous on its face, actively pissing on the cultural concepts of the Arab world. It really, honestly seems more fitting to simply not have harems at all. Because, as I have repeatedly told you yet you have seemingly ignored, plenty of actual Arabic people in history never had a harem at all. It's extremely expensive to be able to afford a whole separate staff of female-only servants and a whole separate wing of the house where women can live without contact with male guests. The vast majority of actual Arabic, North African, and Al-Andalusian residents never had a harem or even the thought of a harem. It really isn't much of a stretch to say, "well, if this society treats men and women equally....most people just wouldn't have a harem because it'd be incredibly expensive for no reason."How can you have a culture of "secluding the men" and also a culture of "secluding the women" and have any form of actual social structure? It makes no sense. A male merchant couldn't meet with a female merchant because they would both need to be secluded from one another!</blockquote>

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