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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psifon" data-source="post: 337567" data-attributes="member: 3171">(Prior post deleted by author<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />OK, I just found the post containing your answer.  I missed it earlier-I think we must have both posted at the same time.  Having read your post, I still don't see the problem with this idea.  There are no rules for doing what I want to do - this is not a video game - we have DM's to make these decisions.Just to be clear, the SRD states:___________________________________________________Shrink ItemTransmutationLevel: Sor/Wiz 3Components: V, SCasting Time: 1 actionRange: TouchTarget: One touched object of up to 2 cu. ft./levelDuration: 1 day/level (see text)Saving Throw: Will negates (object)Spell Resistance: Yes (object)The character is able to shrink one nonmagical item (if it is within the size limit) to one-twelfth of its normal size in each dimension (to about 1/2,000th the original volume and mass). Optionally, the character can also change its now-shrunken composition to a clothlike one. Objects changed by a shrink item spell can be returned to normal composition and size merely by tossing them onto any solid surface or by a word of command from the original caster. Restoring the shrunken object to its normal size and composition ends the spell.If shrink item is made permanent (see the permanency spell), the affected object can be shrunk and expanded an indefinite number of times, but only by the original caster.____________________________________________________This is all.  Nothing about anything that would prevent an item from being damaged by normal forces in the universe.  If it doesn't say, it doesn't do. Right?  I know that you wanted to avoid this arguement, but I don't see how you can go around attributing powers to spells that are not clearly stated in the rules.I'm sorry Kreynolds, but your just wrong on this one.And how exactly is it a house rule that you can tie a shrunk item on to the end of a crossbow bolt?  There is a rule for how to do this: Craft Fletcher, and the DM has to decide the DC for creating this device, but that is definately within the rules for him to do this.I just don't get your arguement, much less your conclusion that you have "ripped to shreds" my idea.BTW, yes of COURSE I am trying to get extra firepower per gp.  Of COURSE I am trying to "rape" the rules.  I am a munchkin power gamer and proud of it!  The whole point of playing a wizard is comming up with cool tricks like this to get extra bang for your buck and make the most of your spells.  Shrink Item screams out to players like me, and GOD BLESS WotC for including this little gem in the PHB!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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