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<blockquote data-quote="Dannorn" data-source="post: 6299074" data-attributes="member: 6762594">I was actually thinking along the lines of lumping innate arcane casters into one group just varying degrees of power, Sorcerers are the most powerful, Bards are capable but limited, and Alchemists are guys who have magic but can't even cast 0-level spells, so they combine what little magic they have with alchemy to get their extracts, bombs, and mutagens.&nbsp; Kinda like this idea more though, the idea that they've learned to harness residual magic and while they can't conjure with it themselves they can infuse alchemical concoctions with it to give them power.I admit I like this idea more because in a world where you can't use magic without being born with it or making some kind of pact, what would normal people do to protect themselves against those with magic?&nbsp; They'd probably try and figure out ways to match their power through other means.&nbsp; Another thought I had if I went this way would be to have gunslingers be far more common in areas where magic is outlawed or even just uncommon, and nearly non-existent in others, probably as outlaw or dissident forces.I'd agree with you on making the Alchemist just a dude, it's hard to explain how things like Enlarge Person or Giant Form work without magic, but as a weak caster I really don't have to change anything other than flavour as is appropriate.I had thought of this, either way I was thinking Alchemists would take the place of Wizards as the scholarly pursuers of magic.&nbsp; Though if we think about this in terms of &quot;real life&quot; if magic is something a small group of people are just naturally capable of, or gain access to through communion with beings of the beyond, they really don't have any reason to study it, one side knows exactly how it works and for the other it's no different than breathing or walking, and those less scrupulous individuals capable of it would have a vested interest in keeping the common rabble from studying it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannorn, post: 6299074, member: 6762594"] I was actually thinking along the lines of lumping innate arcane casters into one group just varying degrees of power, Sorcerers are the most powerful, Bards are capable but limited, and Alchemists are guys who have magic but can't even cast 0-level spells, so they combine what little magic they have with alchemy to get their extracts, bombs, and mutagens. Kinda like this idea more though, the idea that they've learned to harness residual magic and while they can't conjure with it themselves they can infuse alchemical concoctions with it to give them power. I admit I like this idea more because in a world where you can't use magic without being born with it or making some kind of pact, what would normal people do to protect themselves against those with magic? They'd probably try and figure out ways to match their power through other means. Another thought I had if I went this way would be to have gunslingers be far more common in areas where magic is outlawed or even just uncommon, and nearly non-existent in others, probably as outlaw or dissident forces. I'd agree with you on making the Alchemist just a dude, it's hard to explain how things like Enlarge Person or Giant Form work without magic, but as a weak caster I really don't have to change anything other than flavour as is appropriate. I had thought of this, either way I was thinking Alchemists would take the place of Wizards as the scholarly pursuers of magic. Though if we think about this in terms of "real life" if magic is something a small group of people are just naturally capable of, or gain access to through communion with beings of the beyond, they really don't have any reason to study it, one side knows exactly how it works and for the other it's no different than breathing or walking, and those less scrupulous individuals capable of it would have a vested interest in keeping the common rabble from studying it. [/QUOTE]

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