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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6819339" data-attributes="member: 6787503">So this is your example of a situation that will only make sense if you begin combat with an out-of-initiative readied attack? Let me see if I've got this right. Some of the party are conversing with a wizard, deceiving him into thinking they are his next victims. Meanwhile, another party member is hidden nearby and is planning to begin combat by shooting the wizard. I don't understand why the hidden PC thinks he's in combat since no one is fighting yet. I also don't see how this situation doesn't make sense if the DM simply asks everyone to make an initiative check when the hidden PC decides to shoot the wizard.&nbsp; &nbsp;But they do have a chance to hit first, by rolling well on initiative, and it still makes sense if the wizard rolls higher. That would just mean he could take some sort of action in response, like dropping prone to impose disadvantage on your ranged attack. If I was playing this wizard, I wouldn't consider it an even trade for having an attack made on me without getting to roll initiative.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6819339, member: 6787503"] So this is your example of a situation that will only make sense if you begin combat with an out-of-initiative readied attack? Let me see if I've got this right. Some of the party are conversing with a wizard, deceiving him into thinking they are his next victims. Meanwhile, another party member is hidden nearby and is planning to begin combat by shooting the wizard. I don't understand why the hidden PC thinks he's in combat since no one is fighting yet. I also don't see how this situation doesn't make sense if the DM simply asks everyone to make an initiative check when the hidden PC decides to shoot the wizard. But they do have a chance to hit first, by rolling well on initiative, and it still makes sense if the wizard rolls higher. That would just mean he could take some sort of action in response, like dropping prone to impose disadvantage on your ranged attack. If I was playing this wizard, I wouldn't consider it an even trade for having an attack made on me without getting to roll initiative. [/QUOTE]

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