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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6820252" data-attributes="member: 6788736">What's&nbsp; this about a creature you can see and are talking to obtaining surprise?Its decision to attack is what triggers initiative.&nbsp; At that point (before the attack is resolved - this happens on the monsters turn) you also determine surprise - and you're aware of the Monster so there is no surprise. Your houserule creates the awful scenario where a wary character with sword drawn has to sit there and get smacked in the face by a monster he is fully aware of before getting a chance to react. All on account of the DM declaring an attack first. Heck the monster may even surprise&nbsp; him! That's madness to me. I would sure as hell be the first to scream 'I attack!' In your games to make myself immune to surprise and grant myself a free 'turn 0' before combat. What 'problem' are your houserules on surprise, combat and initiative trying to adress?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6820252, member: 6788736"] What's this about a creature you can see and are talking to obtaining surprise? Its decision to attack is what triggers initiative. At that point (before the attack is resolved - this happens on the monsters turn) you also determine surprise - and you're aware of the Monster so there is no surprise. Your houserule creates the awful scenario where a wary character with sword drawn has to sit there and get smacked in the face by a monster he is fully aware of before getting a chance to react. All on account of the DM declaring an attack first. Heck the monster may even surprise him! That's madness to me. I would sure as hell be the first to scream 'I attack!' In your games to make myself immune to surprise and grant myself a free 'turn 0' before combat. What 'problem' are your houserules on surprise, combat and initiative trying to adress? [/QUOTE]

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