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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8683150" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>Doesn't seem to actually be all that hard for most cultures the world over.</p><p></p><p>Sure</p><p></p><p>I don't see any posible future where it goes the other way, but i wouldn't mind being wrong about this one.</p><p></p><p>Most common models. Just like any other part for older cars.</p><p></p><p>There aren't a limited number of cranks. Dorman is still making new window regulators, levers, and other components, to replace older style window controls. There are easily tens of thousands of cars with manual crank windows just in California, from a nearly 100 year range of decades, and a hundred different manufacturers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Some stuff disappears in less than a decade, it doesn't have a hugely significant impact on how people view the world. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, stuff changes. I just don't think stuff changes so fundamentally all that often that people would be super alien because their dad is 600 years old. </p><p></p><p>One thing to consider is that you simply cannot have a species that matures at the same rate as humans, and then deteriorates and calcifies at the same rate, that also lives healthily into their 700's. </p><p></p><p>It's extremely unlikely that elves crystalize like humans do, and if they <em>do</em>, that it happens any time before their last couple centuries of natural lifespan. That, combined with the posited scenario wherein they live alongside more shortlived folk, makes a lot of the ideas in this thread extremely unlikely.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you're replying to with this chunk of text. Help?</p><p></p><p>If humans lived that long, sure. Elves aren't humans. Part of why humans get that way is that it gets harder to internalize new stuff as you get older, especially if you don't make a habit of doing so regularly. Who says this is true for elves?</p><p></p><p>Right...and I posited that elves society might well have rules and customs that push in the opposite direction, because they have inclinations toward stagnation that are unhealthy if allowed to run rampant.</p><p></p><p>Yes. Unambiguously. Imagine spellcraft is like computer technology. Now imagine that someone was really into difference engines back in the day, but hasn't approved of any new computer tech since WWII. Do they allow cell phones in their house? Do they know how to use a mouse and keyboard? Do they have any kind of internet connection? Did they update to the new system when analog TV went kaput? Now imagine a whole nation of people like that, in today's world. They are utterly screwed. </p><p></p><p>Not to mention that significant stagnation is bad <em>in and of itself</em>. It deteriorates the fabric of social orders, leads to stratification and thus to unrest, and tends to push a civilization toward collapse.</p><p></p><p>I doubt anyone here is unaware of this. </p><p></p><p>Since we don't have timelines of technological and arcane advancement for Faerun, it's much easier to discuss this in terms of the real world, however.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8683150, member: 6704184"] Doesn't seem to actually be all that hard for most cultures the world over. Sure I don't see any posible future where it goes the other way, but i wouldn't mind being wrong about this one. Most common models. Just like any other part for older cars. There aren't a limited number of cranks. Dorman is still making new window regulators, levers, and other components, to replace older style window controls. There are easily tens of thousands of cars with manual crank windows just in California, from a nearly 100 year range of decades, and a hundred different manufacturers. Some stuff disappears in less than a decade, it doesn't have a hugely significant impact on how people view the world. Sure, stuff changes. I just don't think stuff changes so fundamentally all that often that people would be super alien because their dad is 600 years old. One thing to consider is that you simply cannot have a species that matures at the same rate as humans, and then deteriorates and calcifies at the same rate, that also lives healthily into their 700's. It's extremely unlikely that elves crystalize like humans do, and if they [I]do[/I], that it happens any time before their last couple centuries of natural lifespan. That, combined with the posited scenario wherein they live alongside more shortlived folk, makes a lot of the ideas in this thread extremely unlikely. I'm not sure what you're replying to with this chunk of text. Help? If humans lived that long, sure. Elves aren't humans. Part of why humans get that way is that it gets harder to internalize new stuff as you get older, especially if you don't make a habit of doing so regularly. Who says this is true for elves? Right...and I posited that elves society might well have rules and customs that push in the opposite direction, because they have inclinations toward stagnation that are unhealthy if allowed to run rampant. Yes. Unambiguously. Imagine spellcraft is like computer technology. Now imagine that someone was really into difference engines back in the day, but hasn't approved of any new computer tech since WWII. Do they allow cell phones in their house? Do they know how to use a mouse and keyboard? Do they have any kind of internet connection? Did they update to the new system when analog TV went kaput? Now imagine a whole nation of people like that, in today's world. They are utterly screwed. Not to mention that significant stagnation is bad [I]in and of itself[/I]. It deteriorates the fabric of social orders, leads to stratification and thus to unrest, and tends to push a civilization toward collapse. I doubt anyone here is unaware of this. Since we don't have timelines of technological and arcane advancement for Faerun, it's much easier to discuss this in terms of the real world, however. [/QUOTE]
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