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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9728887" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Oooooh man how did I miss that. But yes there's another. Which begs the question, if the Xenomorph is metaphorically the "Bear", which alien is metaphorically the "Crocodile" and as such will eat him?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So I think there's potentially a very good reason for that, and the show actually explains at least part of it already.</p><p></p><p>Ash and Call are industrial/corporate-grade slave-androids. Designed to be mass-produced and sold at non-insane prices to industrial, military, corporate and so on consumers. There is literally no reason to make them any more capable than necessary to their jobs, because it'd just make them more expensive to produce. Like, all cars could have the performance of a Bugatti Veyron or a Rimac Nevera (the electric car equivalent thereof), but they don't because it make them impossibly expensive and who even needs that kind of performance?</p><p></p><p>Whereas The Lost Boys are explicitly ultra-expensive (they explain this more than once) and explicitly designed to far-superhuman (explain at length by <s>Peter Pan</s> Boy Kavalier) because he wants to be friends with superior beings (or so he says/thinks), and they're also designed to be the future bodies of the ultra-ultra-ultra-rich (currently they can only fit the minds of children, but the long-term goal is presumably, after they work out the kinks, they make a second gen who can upload people like Kavalier himself).</p><p></p><p>So that is easily explained, frankly, there's nothing confusing about that if you stop and think about it for a while - and I'm not criticising you for not doing that but the logic is obvious once you do.</p><p></p><p>Re: the cyborg, he's an elite Weyland-Yutani agent, designed seemingly specifically for combat/survival and as such as has probably had insane amounts of money spent on him, so similar logic applies. He may also have been a technological dead-end, or considered to be a failure/not worth the money, which might explain why we didn't see more like him later.</p><p></p><p>The more difficult question is how the creepy android from the ship (who I note we haven't seen again, and surely will, as we also haven't seen his body) and the cyborg were as fancy as they were given they presumably boarded the Maginot in 2055, and we're now in 2120, and technology seemingly didn't move on. But I can't rule out potential explanations for that (see the spoiler block in my earlier post). But the Lost Boys/Cyborg being wildly more capable than Ash/Call/etc. makes perfect sense when you think about their origins, purposes and costs.</p><p></p><p>We also don't know how durable the Lost Boys are. It could be that the first time one tries to fist-fight the Xenomorph it gets immediately ripped to pieces (look what the Xenomorph does to steel doors and concrete walls and the like). or manages to kill the Xenomorph but is immediately melted by the acid blood.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think she's more technologically advanced if that's the question.</p><p></p><p>But she has been an android for potentially <em>months</em> longer than the rest, and seems like she was already a more active and curious person than most of the rest, so probably has a better grasp on her abilities. She also has much more motivation to use them - the rest of them sort of just like to hang out - whereas she wants to stalk her big bro and so on. So I think it's all personality and experience.</p><p></p><p>Slightly explicitly says all the Lost Boys are super-fast and super-strong note, but clearly has a more reticent personality. Smee is just a chill dude who likes to hang around and make fart jokes. Nibs is terrified and wants to go home. Curly seems like a rules-follower/hall monitor but has the least defined personality so far. Toodles seems like possible psycho, we shall see.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That seems pretty plausible.</p><p></p><p>Also given Earth is still there in Ripley's time (even in Aliens), and the Xenomorph etc. is still under wraps, one has to presume this show ends with some kind of nuclear or even anti-matter blast or similar. A bigger question is whether the Hybrids survived, and what happened to Prodigy and its technologies? Nothing good I suspect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry have you seen the decision-making skills of certain billionaires in the real world?</p><p></p><p>Like, 10 years ago even, I'd have made the same objection.</p><p></p><p>But now? No. These people have proven that at least a<em> good proportion</em> of them are actively less sane than and more prone to bad decision-making than like, average people, presumably because of surrounding themselves with Yes Men, never having to worry about consequences ever again (except from other billionaires or similar), and having infinite access to... substances. There are at least two high-end billionaires right now basically operating on the "trailer park meth head" level of reasoning, because they don't have to worry about anything ever except their own egos and desires.</p><p></p><p>Will trillionaires be saner or less sane? Because I'm going with even less sane. </p><p></p><p>I mean Kirsh (I think, or Atom Ein) literally says "Let's not take all the Lost Boys", and gets overruled by Kavalier - a very "cavalier" action! < waggles eyebrows ></p><p></p><p>(Also I think Kavalier is essentially indulging his ego and building his self-image with his claims re: wanting to speak to a superior being - I don't think that's truly a major goal for him, it's more about how he wants to think about himself, as a sort of a humble spiritual yearner for divine wisdom <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🙏" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f64f.png" title="Folded hands :pray:" data-shortname=":pray:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />. I think his actual underlying goal is to test the Lost Boy program out and be ready for a next generation where he gets to be one of them (after all, he sees himself as Peter Pan, leader of the Lost Boys, and didn't call any of <em>them</em> Peter), and if these ones all get trashed, oh well, he can make more. Sure Kirsh and Atom and so on will wince at the tens of billions lost, but it can be learned from.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9728887, member: 18"] Oooooh man how did I miss that. But yes there's another. Which begs the question, if the Xenomorph is metaphorically the "Bear", which alien is metaphorically the "Crocodile" and as such will eat him? So I think there's potentially a very good reason for that, and the show actually explains at least part of it already. Ash and Call are industrial/corporate-grade slave-androids. Designed to be mass-produced and sold at non-insane prices to industrial, military, corporate and so on consumers. There is literally no reason to make them any more capable than necessary to their jobs, because it'd just make them more expensive to produce. Like, all cars could have the performance of a Bugatti Veyron or a Rimac Nevera (the electric car equivalent thereof), but they don't because it make them impossibly expensive and who even needs that kind of performance? Whereas The Lost Boys are explicitly ultra-expensive (they explain this more than once) and explicitly designed to far-superhuman (explain at length by [S]Peter Pan[/S] Boy Kavalier) because he wants to be friends with superior beings (or so he says/thinks), and they're also designed to be the future bodies of the ultra-ultra-ultra-rich (currently they can only fit the minds of children, but the long-term goal is presumably, after they work out the kinks, they make a second gen who can upload people like Kavalier himself). So that is easily explained, frankly, there's nothing confusing about that if you stop and think about it for a while - and I'm not criticising you for not doing that but the logic is obvious once you do. Re: the cyborg, he's an elite Weyland-Yutani agent, designed seemingly specifically for combat/survival and as such as has probably had insane amounts of money spent on him, so similar logic applies. He may also have been a technological dead-end, or considered to be a failure/not worth the money, which might explain why we didn't see more like him later. The more difficult question is how the creepy android from the ship (who I note we haven't seen again, and surely will, as we also haven't seen his body) and the cyborg were as fancy as they were given they presumably boarded the Maginot in 2055, and we're now in 2120, and technology seemingly didn't move on. But I can't rule out potential explanations for that (see the spoiler block in my earlier post). But the Lost Boys/Cyborg being wildly more capable than Ash/Call/etc. makes perfect sense when you think about their origins, purposes and costs. We also don't know how durable the Lost Boys are. It could be that the first time one tries to fist-fight the Xenomorph it gets immediately ripped to pieces (look what the Xenomorph does to steel doors and concrete walls and the like). or manages to kill the Xenomorph but is immediately melted by the acid blood. I don't think she's more technologically advanced if that's the question. But she has been an android for potentially [I]months[/I] longer than the rest, and seems like she was already a more active and curious person than most of the rest, so probably has a better grasp on her abilities. She also has much more motivation to use them - the rest of them sort of just like to hang out - whereas she wants to stalk her big bro and so on. So I think it's all personality and experience. Slightly explicitly says all the Lost Boys are super-fast and super-strong note, but clearly has a more reticent personality. Smee is just a chill dude who likes to hang around and make fart jokes. Nibs is terrified and wants to go home. Curly seems like a rules-follower/hall monitor but has the least defined personality so far. Toodles seems like possible psycho, we shall see. That seems pretty plausible. Also given Earth is still there in Ripley's time (even in Aliens), and the Xenomorph etc. is still under wraps, one has to presume this show ends with some kind of nuclear or even anti-matter blast or similar. A bigger question is whether the Hybrids survived, and what happened to Prodigy and its technologies? Nothing good I suspect. I'm sorry have you seen the decision-making skills of certain billionaires in the real world? Like, 10 years ago even, I'd have made the same objection. But now? No. These people have proven that at least a[I] good proportion[/I] of them are actively less sane than and more prone to bad decision-making than like, average people, presumably because of surrounding themselves with Yes Men, never having to worry about consequences ever again (except from other billionaires or similar), and having infinite access to... substances. There are at least two high-end billionaires right now basically operating on the "trailer park meth head" level of reasoning, because they don't have to worry about anything ever except their own egos and desires. Will trillionaires be saner or less sane? Because I'm going with even less sane. I mean Kirsh (I think, or Atom Ein) literally says "Let's not take all the Lost Boys", and gets overruled by Kavalier - a very "cavalier" action! < waggles eyebrows > (Also I think Kavalier is essentially indulging his ego and building his self-image with his claims re: wanting to speak to a superior being - I don't think that's truly a major goal for him, it's more about how he wants to think about himself, as a sort of a humble spiritual yearner for divine wisdom 🙏. I think his actual underlying goal is to test the Lost Boy program out and be ready for a next generation where he gets to be one of them (after all, he sees himself as Peter Pan, leader of the Lost Boys, and didn't call any of [I]them[/I] Peter), and if these ones all get trashed, oh well, he can make more. Sure Kirsh and Atom and so on will wince at the tens of billions lost, but it can be learned from.) [/QUOTE]
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