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<blockquote data-quote="Macv12" data-source="post: 6735468" data-attributes="member: 6801600"><p>This is a really interesting idea. But, I feel like the two axes overlap a bit too much; Tech-Logic makes sense, but it seems like a stretch that there would be as many Eco-Logic and Tech-Faith aligned people as Eco-Faith and Tech-Logic.</p><p></p><p>It occurs to me that if this phenomenon actually happened, and it was predictable and reproducible, it would be part of science. We wouldn't understand exactly how it works, but we would know THAT it works, and could set about trying to figure it out. But I think the Faith/Logic axis still works if you frame it a certain way: people who think this "miraculous" phenomenon is proof of god(s), versus people who think it will eventually be explained by science.</p><p></p><p>This framing means you could have Logic-oriented people who still make use of these artifacts, but use them to realize more "mundane" beliefs, instead of beliefs that a certain god will answer a certain prayer. And you might have people who believe that it's all divine, but the gods never meant it to be abused like this, and we're heading for Judgment if we don't turn humble again.</p><p></p><p>Your description of the Eco/Tech divide also makes me want to give those alignments different names. Maybe Expansion/Preservation, or something like that. Expansion-oriented people generally see the number of stars/planets as effectively numberless, so we should keep exploring and growing; this may be expressed as relentless conquering, uplifting primitive species, and religious evangelism (especially to newly-discovered species). Preservation-oriented people generally want to preserve resources; may be expressed as environmentalism, aversion to weapons, aversion to new technologies that might have high costs (like antimatter engines that are dangerous if they malfunction, and can be used as weapons, for example), non-intervention in low-tech cultures, and so on.</p><p></p><p>Quick examples:</p><p>- Logic/Expansion: wants to discover everything about the universe, get resources, find new species; no problem using artifacts</p><p>- Logic/Preservation: wants to let new cultures develop, increasing diversity; values the ecology and culture of each planet; doesn't trust the artifacts and thinks they should be studied before use</p><p>- Faith/Expansion: wants to spread the word of the true god</p><p>- Faith/Preservation: wants to remain humble and connected to their god's message, eschews technology</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Macv12, post: 6735468, member: 6801600"] This is a really interesting idea. But, I feel like the two axes overlap a bit too much; Tech-Logic makes sense, but it seems like a stretch that there would be as many Eco-Logic and Tech-Faith aligned people as Eco-Faith and Tech-Logic. It occurs to me that if this phenomenon actually happened, and it was predictable and reproducible, it would be part of science. We wouldn't understand exactly how it works, but we would know THAT it works, and could set about trying to figure it out. But I think the Faith/Logic axis still works if you frame it a certain way: people who think this "miraculous" phenomenon is proof of god(s), versus people who think it will eventually be explained by science. This framing means you could have Logic-oriented people who still make use of these artifacts, but use them to realize more "mundane" beliefs, instead of beliefs that a certain god will answer a certain prayer. And you might have people who believe that it's all divine, but the gods never meant it to be abused like this, and we're heading for Judgment if we don't turn humble again. Your description of the Eco/Tech divide also makes me want to give those alignments different names. Maybe Expansion/Preservation, or something like that. Expansion-oriented people generally see the number of stars/planets as effectively numberless, so we should keep exploring and growing; this may be expressed as relentless conquering, uplifting primitive species, and religious evangelism (especially to newly-discovered species). Preservation-oriented people generally want to preserve resources; may be expressed as environmentalism, aversion to weapons, aversion to new technologies that might have high costs (like antimatter engines that are dangerous if they malfunction, and can be used as weapons, for example), non-intervention in low-tech cultures, and so on. Quick examples: - Logic/Expansion: wants to discover everything about the universe, get resources, find new species; no problem using artifacts - Logic/Preservation: wants to let new cultures develop, increasing diversity; values the ecology and culture of each planet; doesn't trust the artifacts and thinks they should be studied before use - Faith/Expansion: wants to spread the word of the true god - Faith/Preservation: wants to remain humble and connected to their god's message, eschews technology [/QUOTE]
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