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<blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 2593322" data-attributes="member: 30610">Let me see if I understand your position: A paladin is subject to an insanity-causing magical effect.&nbsp; While insane, he goes on a rampage, slaying an entire school full of children, before the rest of his party beats him into unconsciousness.&nbsp; Upon regaining his senses, his defense is &quot;I wasn't in control.&quot;&nbsp; He should, by your statement above, not be in any trouble for this, either with his patron, or with the local officials, provided that they accept insanity defenses.&nbsp; Is that correct?&nbsp; Furthermore, for the duration of the act, because he is not in control, he loses paladin powers?Also, since you hold that the fundamental issue is control over oneself, while a paladin is subject to Dominate Person, he would lose his paladin abilities, because he isn't in control, and after slaying dozens of people in cold blood due to the commands of the evil mage dominating him, he would simply pick up his sword and go on his way without needing to atone.&nbsp; Is this correct?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="moritheil, post: 2593322, member: 30610"] Let me see if I understand your position: A paladin is subject to an insanity-causing magical effect. While insane, he goes on a rampage, slaying an entire school full of children, before the rest of his party beats him into unconsciousness. Upon regaining his senses, his defense is "I wasn't in control." He should, by your statement above, not be in any trouble for this, either with his patron, or with the local officials, provided that they accept insanity defenses. Is that correct? Furthermore, for the duration of the act, because he is not in control, he loses paladin powers? Also, since you hold that the fundamental issue is control over oneself, while a paladin is subject to Dominate Person, he would lose his paladin abilities, because he isn't in control, and after slaying dozens of people in cold blood due to the commands of the evil mage dominating him, he would simply pick up his sword and go on his way without needing to atone. Is this correct? [/QUOTE]

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