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<blockquote data-quote="Calico_Jack73" data-source="post: 1438063" data-attributes="member: 14403">See, I'd put Hitler down as LE.&nbsp; He established a rule which favored the few at the expense of the many and used hate and fear to create that rule and make it embraced by the people.&nbsp; If you were a blond, blue eyed german with no jewish, gypsy, or other ethnic blood in your family line Nazi Germany favored you and you did well by it.&nbsp; Just because he didn't abide by agreements with his enemies doesn't make him non-lawful.William Wallace I might put down as Chaotic Neutral.&nbsp; He fought for the freedom of the Scottish people against Edward I.&nbsp; According to history books Edward I was actually thought of as a very good king for the British people.&nbsp; Good and Evil didn't figure into it because each side saw what they were doing as good and what the other side was doing as evil.&nbsp; The key point is the Wallace fought for freedom which is a distictive Chaotic trait (IMHO).Real life examples are kind of difficult except in the cases of extremes (such as Hitler and Hussein) because in all cases a particular person thinks they are doing the best for all concerned.&nbsp; After watching the miniseries &quot;Hitler: Rise of Evil&quot; I'd have to believe that even Hitler thought that what he was doing was for the best for the German people.&nbsp; Real life is too gray... D&amp;D is black and white set against a DM created scale of good and evil.&nbsp; If you say that killing innocent people to achieve your goals then the United States is as evil as they come for dropping two atomic bombs on civilian cities but obviously we like to think of ourselves as some of the most morally &quot;good&quot; people in the world.Way too fuzzy and I'm just hoping that your discussion doesn't become a flame war where people vent against each other based upon their opinion of different sides of conflict in history. :\</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Calico_Jack73, post: 1438063, member: 14403"] See, I'd put Hitler down as LE. He established a rule which favored the few at the expense of the many and used hate and fear to create that rule and make it embraced by the people. If you were a blond, blue eyed german with no jewish, gypsy, or other ethnic blood in your family line Nazi Germany favored you and you did well by it. Just because he didn't abide by agreements with his enemies doesn't make him non-lawful. William Wallace I might put down as Chaotic Neutral. He fought for the freedom of the Scottish people against Edward I. According to history books Edward I was actually thought of as a very good king for the British people. Good and Evil didn't figure into it because each side saw what they were doing as good and what the other side was doing as evil. The key point is the Wallace fought for freedom which is a distictive Chaotic trait (IMHO). Real life examples are kind of difficult except in the cases of extremes (such as Hitler and Hussein) because in all cases a particular person thinks they are doing the best for all concerned. After watching the miniseries "Hitler: Rise of Evil" I'd have to believe that even Hitler thought that what he was doing was for the best for the German people. Real life is too gray... D&D is black and white set against a DM created scale of good and evil. If you say that killing innocent people to achieve your goals then the United States is as evil as they come for dropping two atomic bombs on civilian cities but obviously we like to think of ourselves as some of the most morally "good" people in the world. Way too fuzzy and I'm just hoping that your discussion doesn't become a flame war where people vent against each other based upon their opinion of different sides of conflict in history. :\ [/QUOTE]

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