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<blockquote data-quote="AEtherfyre" data-source="post: 808012" data-attributes="member: 4994">Eh. With no moral grounding whatsoever, they're neutral? I'd ... disagree with that. Greatly. By that definition, a man who is willing to massacre hundreds or thousnads of innocents to gain power is neutral, so long as he doesn't enjoy the experience. The demon summoner who sacrafices virgins to dark gods is neutral, so long as he's not getting anything other than power out of his actions.I know that that wasn't what you're trying to say - but what I'm saying is that the above is what being self-centered to the exclusion of all else means. If either of the above two characters also did their best to keep their image in their community up - rescuing kittens, defeating invading armies, or any other thing that helps the community with their own intrests in mind - would that make them any less evil? No malice, no benevolence - just a complete lack of any type of moral restraint in what they'd do to gain power, or anything else. To me, that's evil.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AEtherfyre, post: 808012, member: 4994"] Eh. With [I]no[/I] moral grounding whatsoever, they're neutral? I'd ... disagree with that. Greatly. By that definition, a man who is willing to massacre hundreds or thousnads of innocents to gain power is neutral, so long as he doesn't enjoy the experience. The demon summoner who sacrafices virgins to dark gods is neutral, so long as he's not getting anything other than power out of his actions. I know that that wasn't what you're trying to say - but what I'm saying is that the above is what being self-centered to the exclusion of all else [I]means.[/I] If either of the above two characters also did their best to keep their image in their community up - rescuing kittens, defeating invading armies, or any other thing that helps the community with their own intrests in mind - would that make them any less evil? No malice, no benevolence - just a complete lack of any type of moral restraint in what they'd do to gain power, or anything else. To me, that's evil. [/QUOTE]

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