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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 810784" data-attributes="member: 2486"><p>Ranillon and Lord Pendragon:</p><p></p><p>The irony of the situation is that your arguments are not mutually exclusive. It is perfectly possible for both of you to be right.</p><p></p><p>Lord Pendragon's fundamental argument is that chaotic is a disregard for any form of principle based on the establishment of society. Chaotic by definition places no inherent value on authority, the establishment or even his own word. Chaotics tend to be the most flexible, but can also be perceived as dishonourable. The crux is in the actions as a result- CG will openly violate laws and even violate his own oaths if he belives that some good will come as a result. CE, by contrast, will violate the laws and his own oaths if he feels he will gain by doing so.</p><p></p><p>Yet conversely, this is not a measure of 'Chaotic Dumb'. The above oath-violator only does so because he feels that he will gain, either in the long term or the short term. Indeed, it may be expedient to honour the oaths, for long-term gains. The argument I am making is not that Chaotic Evil will wantonly seek immediate gratification, but that gratification is the character's one and only goal. If the character needs to comply with a few laws or make a few allies in the furtherance to this long-term goal, this does not contrast with his principles. There is absolutely no reason why the CE character could not travel with the party as he feels that this benefits him most, but at the first sign of a better offer, he will betray the party as necessary.</p><p></p><p>Chaotic does not mean short-term. It means that there is no inherent value placed on tradition, authority or oaths. In the case of CE, that lack of inherent value means that these can be followed- but only if the CE character gains in the long-term.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Al, post: 810784, member: 2486"] Ranillon and Lord Pendragon: The irony of the situation is that your arguments are not mutually exclusive. It is perfectly possible for both of you to be right. Lord Pendragon's fundamental argument is that chaotic is a disregard for any form of principle based on the establishment of society. Chaotic by definition places no inherent value on authority, the establishment or even his own word. Chaotics tend to be the most flexible, but can also be perceived as dishonourable. The crux is in the actions as a result- CG will openly violate laws and even violate his own oaths if he belives that some good will come as a result. CE, by contrast, will violate the laws and his own oaths if he feels he will gain by doing so. Yet conversely, this is not a measure of 'Chaotic Dumb'. The above oath-violator only does so because he feels that he will gain, either in the long term or the short term. Indeed, it may be expedient to honour the oaths, for long-term gains. The argument I am making is not that Chaotic Evil will wantonly seek immediate gratification, but that gratification is the character's one and only goal. If the character needs to comply with a few laws or make a few allies in the furtherance to this long-term goal, this does not contrast with his principles. There is absolutely no reason why the CE character could not travel with the party as he feels that this benefits him most, but at the first sign of a better offer, he will betray the party as necessary. Chaotic does not mean short-term. It means that there is no inherent value placed on tradition, authority or oaths. In the case of CE, that lack of inherent value means that these can be followed- but only if the CE character gains in the long-term. [/QUOTE]
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