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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 355596" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>"Lawful Good - Harry S. Truman</p><p>Neutral Good - Franklin D. Roosevelt</p><p>Chaotic Good - Theodore Roosevelt</p><p>Lawful Neutral - J. Edgar Hoover</p><p>Neutral - Calvin Coolidge</p><p>Chaotic Neutral - Lyndon B. Johnson</p><p>Lawful Evil - Mao Tse Tung</p><p>Neutral Evil - Manuel Noriega</p><p>Chaotic Evil - Immelda Marcos"</p><p></p><p>I think this shows considerable confusion between history, and pop history.</p><p></p><p>J. Edgar Hoover was anything but lawful. You think just because he was the head of a law enforcement agency that this makes him lawful? Consider his ties to criminal elements, his willingness to flaunt the laws he supposedly upheld, his deviant private life, his paranoia, and his own self serving ego (using the agency to protect himself from investigation) before throwing him in the lawful's just because he headed a law enforcement agency. I vote for JEH as one of the most evil US figures in our history, and probably CE.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, you have Lyndon B. Johnson as a chaotic nuetral, and I'm not sure where you get that. LBJ was the consumate insider politician, and was clearly serving what he believed was the interests of the state using the rules of the state in order to achieve what he thought would be a better state. I'd vote for LE.</p><p></p><p>But I do agree that Immelda was CE. Just because she was a control freak doesn't mean that she's not CE. Clearly she was more interested in enriching herself than in a misguided effort to enlarge the position and influence of the Philipines on the world state by the ruthless application of power.</p><p></p><p>I can see both arguements for Mao being CE and LE, so I'm going to go down the middle as NE. Certainly, this seems fitting as the man who is most directly responsible for the single largest incidence of unnecessary deaths in history - the 'cultural revolution' and the resulting mass starvation that followed.</p><p></p><p>Manuel Noriega was probably just another petty tin horn dictator - CE. </p><p></p><p>I'm hesitant to choose an alignment for Teddy. He's a very complex figure. While it would be nice to label him as 'good' as our high school history texts do, the man had some serious flaws for all his idealism and energy. He could be ruthless, ambitious, proud, violent, and dishonorable at times. He was not a man of peace, nor was his martial spirit reserved only for righting injustices (except in the sense that he seemed to think it unjust when he could not have what he wanted). Certainly what he did to the Columbians cannot be dismissed out of hand. I'd like to say that he was motivated strongly by a desire to enlarge the power of the US, but he does not appear to be anything like a man of convention despite his patriotism. On closer examination he was more likely motivated by the desire to achieve lasting fame and recognition for himself by enlarging the power of the US - and his patriotism was how he justified this to himself. His attempt to be the first president to run for more than two terms in office is I think telling. I'd certainly be willing to entertain votes for almost any alignment, depending on how important you find individual traits to be relative to other ones, but I'm going to vote CN.</p><p></p><p>Maraxle: I'd really like to here your explanation of 'The Pixies' being lawful, and 'Creed' being chaotic. And I'm inclined to think that 'The Beastie Boys' and 'Guns N' Roses' would be offended to be labeled less than chaotic. And do realize just how bad it is for his marketing to not label Rob evil? He tries so hard to keep up appearances, dude, give him a break.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 355596, member: 4937"] "Lawful Good - Harry S. Truman Neutral Good - Franklin D. Roosevelt Chaotic Good - Theodore Roosevelt Lawful Neutral - J. Edgar Hoover Neutral - Calvin Coolidge Chaotic Neutral - Lyndon B. Johnson Lawful Evil - Mao Tse Tung Neutral Evil - Manuel Noriega Chaotic Evil - Immelda Marcos" I think this shows considerable confusion between history, and pop history. J. Edgar Hoover was anything but lawful. You think just because he was the head of a law enforcement agency that this makes him lawful? Consider his ties to criminal elements, his willingness to flaunt the laws he supposedly upheld, his deviant private life, his paranoia, and his own self serving ego (using the agency to protect himself from investigation) before throwing him in the lawful's just because he headed a law enforcement agency. I vote for JEH as one of the most evil US figures in our history, and probably CE. On the other hand, you have Lyndon B. Johnson as a chaotic nuetral, and I'm not sure where you get that. LBJ was the consumate insider politician, and was clearly serving what he believed was the interests of the state using the rules of the state in order to achieve what he thought would be a better state. I'd vote for LE. But I do agree that Immelda was CE. Just because she was a control freak doesn't mean that she's not CE. Clearly she was more interested in enriching herself than in a misguided effort to enlarge the position and influence of the Philipines on the world state by the ruthless application of power. I can see both arguements for Mao being CE and LE, so I'm going to go down the middle as NE. Certainly, this seems fitting as the man who is most directly responsible for the single largest incidence of unnecessary deaths in history - the 'cultural revolution' and the resulting mass starvation that followed. Manuel Noriega was probably just another petty tin horn dictator - CE. I'm hesitant to choose an alignment for Teddy. He's a very complex figure. While it would be nice to label him as 'good' as our high school history texts do, the man had some serious flaws for all his idealism and energy. He could be ruthless, ambitious, proud, violent, and dishonorable at times. He was not a man of peace, nor was his martial spirit reserved only for righting injustices (except in the sense that he seemed to think it unjust when he could not have what he wanted). Certainly what he did to the Columbians cannot be dismissed out of hand. I'd like to say that he was motivated strongly by a desire to enlarge the power of the US, but he does not appear to be anything like a man of convention despite his patriotism. On closer examination he was more likely motivated by the desire to achieve lasting fame and recognition for himself by enlarging the power of the US - and his patriotism was how he justified this to himself. His attempt to be the first president to run for more than two terms in office is I think telling. I'd certainly be willing to entertain votes for almost any alignment, depending on how important you find individual traits to be relative to other ones, but I'm going to vote CN. Maraxle: I'd really like to here your explanation of 'The Pixies' being lawful, and 'Creed' being chaotic. And I'm inclined to think that 'The Beastie Boys' and 'Guns N' Roses' would be offended to be labeled less than chaotic. And do realize just how bad it is for his marketing to not label Rob evil? He tries so hard to keep up appearances, dude, give him a break. [/QUOTE]
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