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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 359448" data-attributes="member: 4720"><p>So, are we building up to:</p><p></p><p>Absolute Law => Stagnation & Oppression, and therefore => Evil</p><p></p><p>and </p><p></p><p>Absolute Chaos => Destruction => Evil</p><p></p><p>There's a strong case to be made there, but what does that say about our iconic CN and LN characters? If the closer you get to epitomizing one of these concepts, the closer you come to evil, than shouldn't we expect our LN and CN characters to be decreasingly distinguishable from evil characters?</p><p></p><p>LN - Judge Dredd: Don't know the character very well, but that's because he always struck me as being very nearly evil and unbothered by it. I just can't get into those kind of characters. At least the LN versions of Batman have some angst about how close they are to falling from grace, as it were. LN Batman generally <em>knows</em> he's about a half step away from Joker-ville himself, and it may be the only thing that scares him.</p><p></p><p>CN - Q has definite evil potential, but then he also has some capacity for good. This was distinctly noticeable in "All Good Things..." Of course, that could just be 7 years of Picard's influence shining through, which might make him a bad example. So...</p><p></p><p>CN - Wolverine: It's been a few years since I read comics regularly, but it always seemed to me that without Chuck Xavier, Jean Grey, and (to a lesser extent) Jubilee, Logan would have long since turned into a Chaotic Evil engine of destruction. He was always walking the tightrope between Good and Evil. When he started falling on the good side of that tightrope, they gave him a little extra push in that direction. When he started falling on the evil side, one of them was usually there to steady him, or at least catch him and toss him back up to the tightrope. Of course, with those three (and a number of others, intermittently) working to pull him into the light, he'd have become an angel if there wasn't something pulling him at least as hard in the opposite direction: his overly chaotic nature.</p><p></p><p>Off-topic Wolverine question: I noticed in a comic book store recently that Logan has his adamantium back. I have to wonder: Did they handle that well, or was it just thrown in to appease all the fan-boys who were crying, "You made Wolvie into a wuss! How dare you try to make an interesting character change to someone so popular!"? And how long did it take Marvel to cave to fan pressure on that one?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 359448, member: 4720"] So, are we building up to: Absolute Law => Stagnation & Oppression, and therefore => Evil and Absolute Chaos => Destruction => Evil There's a strong case to be made there, but what does that say about our iconic CN and LN characters? If the closer you get to epitomizing one of these concepts, the closer you come to evil, than shouldn't we expect our LN and CN characters to be decreasingly distinguishable from evil characters? LN - Judge Dredd: Don't know the character very well, but that's because he always struck me as being very nearly evil and unbothered by it. I just can't get into those kind of characters. At least the LN versions of Batman have some angst about how close they are to falling from grace, as it were. LN Batman generally [i]knows[/i] he's about a half step away from Joker-ville himself, and it may be the only thing that scares him. CN - Q has definite evil potential, but then he also has some capacity for good. This was distinctly noticeable in "All Good Things..." Of course, that could just be 7 years of Picard's influence shining through, which might make him a bad example. So... CN - Wolverine: It's been a few years since I read comics regularly, but it always seemed to me that without Chuck Xavier, Jean Grey, and (to a lesser extent) Jubilee, Logan would have long since turned into a Chaotic Evil engine of destruction. He was always walking the tightrope between Good and Evil. When he started falling on the good side of that tightrope, they gave him a little extra push in that direction. When he started falling on the evil side, one of them was usually there to steady him, or at least catch him and toss him back up to the tightrope. Of course, with those three (and a number of others, intermittently) working to pull him into the light, he'd have become an angel if there wasn't something pulling him at least as hard in the opposite direction: his overly chaotic nature. Off-topic Wolverine question: I noticed in a comic book store recently that Logan has his adamantium back. I have to wonder: Did they handle that well, or was it just thrown in to appease all the fan-boys who were crying, "You made Wolvie into a wuss! How dare you try to make an interesting character change to someone so popular!"? And how long did it take Marvel to cave to fan pressure on that one? [/QUOTE]
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