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<blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 3633742" data-attributes="member: 1331">The most obvious way this will go wrong is for the PCs to admit weakness. If they ever flee combat, it'll be pretty obvious that whatever's chasing them is stronger than they are. The party may dash in panic out of the BBEG's lair only to do a head count and find that Throk remained behind and surrendered. Or depending on how smart the orc is, he may bide his time until they're asleep, and then harvest one of their heads to take back as a present for his new master.it doesn't even have to be fleeing that triggers this. Simply speaking out loud about the party's capabilities-- &quot;Hey, let's not attack that BBEG yet, we're not powerful enough&quot;-- might inspire Throk to wander off and look for this stronger being the PCs are so scared of.If that's not where you want to go, another option is to have Throk so convinced of the PCs' strength that he gets them in fights in over their head. When the party is in tense negotiations with a great wyrm, Throk may stroll on up and punch it in the eye, and start boasting about how his masters are going to kick the dragon's ass. (Generating a TPK with this schtick would be bad form, but a severe mangling is just fine.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AuraSeer, post: 3633742, member: 1331"] The most obvious way this will go wrong is for the PCs to admit weakness. If they ever flee combat, it'll be pretty obvious that whatever's chasing them is stronger than they are. The party may dash in panic out of the BBEG's lair only to do a head count and find that Throk remained behind and surrendered. Or depending on how smart the orc is, he may bide his time until they're asleep, and then harvest one of their heads to take back as a present for his new master. it doesn't even have to be fleeing that triggers this. Simply speaking out loud about the party's capabilities-- "Hey, let's not attack that BBEG yet, we're not powerful enough"-- might inspire Throk to wander off and look for this stronger being the PCs are so scared of. If that's not where you want to go, another option is to have Throk so convinced of the PCs' strength that he gets them in fights in over their head. When the party is in tense negotiations with a great wyrm, Throk may stroll on up and punch it in the eye, and start boasting about how his masters are going to kick the dragon's ass. (Generating a TPK with this schtick would be bad form, but a severe mangling is just fine.) [/QUOTE]

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