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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3296131" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Greedo was busy being Evil, so I suspect that while there may have been a bounty out for Han's life, Jabba would have been just as happy letting Han live and recovering the money. So it may have not been his "last chance", but rather "it could really save [his] ass".</p><p></p><p></p><p>Quite. But we know that he dumped an expensive shipment for Jabba, and that Jabba trusted him with the contract.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I forget how much time passed between A New Hope and ESB, but it was substantial; enough time to establish a base on Hoth and run into a bounty hunter on Oord Mandel. Possibly Jabba, having heard that Han took a charter that would pay his debt and became a hero of Yavin IV (word may have gotten back), grew impatient that his menace was being dismissed by Han, and needed to make an example of him. Jabba does put Han up in his audience chamber as an example; what message does this send to other smugglers? Is that message something Jabba would want his "employees" to pay attention to? Is it a more effective message if Han was once a favored smuggler, or a failed one?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Was he not found on Oord Mandel while he was disappeared into the rebellion?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The rebellion is struggling against the Empire; would they want to start a second front with a gangster organization that employs hitmen who would be happy to find a reason to get paid by the Empire to kill the rebels?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Han is being shot at, and he doesn't know where the next shot is going to come from. <em>That</em>, says Han, is the reason he needs to pay off Jabba: he has to get clear with the money that he has had since Yavin. (He's been avoiding paying Jabba off and then linking back up with the rebellion, which with such a fast ship would be possible.)</p><p></p><p>And if it is hardly Neutral behavior, is it Lawful behavior to pay a loanshark back after he's sent his knuckle-breakers after you a few times?</p><p></p><p></p><p>He claims to be fast. His criminality is his ability to run away: something a smuggler should be good at. From his fast ship (and it is), to his skill at flying it through an <em>asteroid field</em>, to using his knowledge of Imperial procedure to make it seem like he disappeared, it doesn't seem like he lacks the equipment, ability, or cleverness to be a good smuggler.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, you meant at the end of the series. Absolutely, he's moving towards Good.</p><p></p><p>He moves towards lawful only if it is impossible for a Chaotic character to find motivations to assist organizations without those motivations being Lawful in nature. I believe that Chaotic people can indeed organize, although they tend to do it less so than Lawful folks, and that Chaotic organizations can exist.</p><p></p><p>What actions in particular would you cite as Lawful, that could also not be motivated by the desire to do Good and help his friends?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3296131, member: 3929"] Greedo was busy being Evil, so I suspect that while there may have been a bounty out for Han's life, Jabba would have been just as happy letting Han live and recovering the money. So it may have not been his "last chance", but rather "it could really save [his] ass". Quite. But we know that he dumped an expensive shipment for Jabba, and that Jabba trusted him with the contract. I forget how much time passed between A New Hope and ESB, but it was substantial; enough time to establish a base on Hoth and run into a bounty hunter on Oord Mandel. Possibly Jabba, having heard that Han took a charter that would pay his debt and became a hero of Yavin IV (word may have gotten back), grew impatient that his menace was being dismissed by Han, and needed to make an example of him. Jabba does put Han up in his audience chamber as an example; what message does this send to other smugglers? Is that message something Jabba would want his "employees" to pay attention to? Is it a more effective message if Han was once a favored smuggler, or a failed one? Was he not found on Oord Mandel while he was disappeared into the rebellion? The rebellion is struggling against the Empire; would they want to start a second front with a gangster organization that employs hitmen who would be happy to find a reason to get paid by the Empire to kill the rebels? Han is being shot at, and he doesn't know where the next shot is going to come from. [i]That[/i], says Han, is the reason he needs to pay off Jabba: he has to get clear with the money that he has had since Yavin. (He's been avoiding paying Jabba off and then linking back up with the rebellion, which with such a fast ship would be possible.) And if it is hardly Neutral behavior, is it Lawful behavior to pay a loanshark back after he's sent his knuckle-breakers after you a few times? He claims to be fast. His criminality is his ability to run away: something a smuggler should be good at. From his fast ship (and it is), to his skill at flying it through an [i]asteroid field[/i], to using his knowledge of Imperial procedure to make it seem like he disappeared, it doesn't seem like he lacks the equipment, ability, or cleverness to be a good smuggler. Ah, you meant at the end of the series. Absolutely, he's moving towards Good. He moves towards lawful only if it is impossible for a Chaotic character to find motivations to assist organizations without those motivations being Lawful in nature. I believe that Chaotic people can indeed organize, although they tend to do it less so than Lawful folks, and that Chaotic organizations can exist. What actions in particular would you cite as Lawful, that could also not be motivated by the desire to do Good and help his friends? [/QUOTE]
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