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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8006108" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Exactly. If we're presuming cosmic good exists as an objective force, murder and torture and genocide can not be considered 'Good' regardless of the justifications you use for those acts.Otherwise I could be a LG person, tossing screaming Orc children into a bonfire in a campaign of genocide, and attain a place in the Seven Heavens on my death.It might be 'just' from your perspective to murder and torture people because they themselves have engaged in similar acts, but I highly doubt such a view would be prevalent among the Gods of Good.It's certainly not a view that is accepted today by the vast majority of nations.Of course you do! It's an all too familiar trope (based on it occurring commonly IRL). The man with a higher purpose (good ends) prepared to get his hands dirty and engage in ruthless murder, torture and worse for this 'higher purpose.'That doesnt make them Good. It makes them Evil.Example: I had a LE Vengance Paladin (of Bane; formerly LG and Torm) dedicated to wiping out other religions in pogroms and holy wars, to establish a unitary theocratic ethno nationalist human dominated Fascist State under the auspices of the Black Hand. My reasoning was that under such a State, we would have 'one nation, one God, one people' and there would be an end to the constant bickering and fractured nature of humanity and between the races, and this State would be able to rule all of Faerun as the rightful lords of the realm, with other races subservient to the Human master race (or wiped out as the case may be).I reserved special hatred for followers of Torm, and would kill them where I found them. Under my State, they would be rounded up and executed en masse. I intended to one day confront Torm and kill him myself to make him accountable for his Evil (as I saw it) in killing my parents (they were Martyrs Progeny) and abandoning me and my Brother (also dead) to die.The 'greater evil' I was sworn to destroy as my Oath was the (LG) deity Torm and his lies, and his deluded followers and church.I was honorable (to an extent) and refused to harm orphans (being one myself). I eschewed torture, but murder, enslavement, religious and ethnic persecution and killing were perfectly acceptable. Prisoners could convert or die.My end goal may very well have been a 'Fascist utopia' of sorts, with the rule of law enforced, an end to wars and ethnic and religious conflict, and stability and peace. However I was clearly and unambiguously evil, being in many ways a fantasy analogy of Hitler who mirrored Anakin Skywalkers fall from grace.Unless you're taking your oath literally (via the lens of your alignment) you have enough wiggle room to avoid genocide.But 'no mercy for my foes' and 'exterminate them' and 'by any means necessary' and 'no qualms' tends to lend itself to genocide pretty self evidently.If I am a CE Vengance Paladin of Shevrash, dedicated to wiping out the Drow, then I could quite easily see such a PC engaging in a full on war of genocide against the Drow.</blockquote>

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