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<blockquote data-quote="Envisioner" data-source="post: 8006134" data-attributes="member: 6749263">I'm not down with that level of absolutism.&nbsp; The line between killing and murder is very arbitrary and subjective.&nbsp; Torture might be necessary in order to protect others' lives in a critical situation.&nbsp; Slavery can be practiced in a consensual fashion, with respect for the dignity and rights of the slave even while deeming them unequal (and again, the distinction between full-on slavery and the kind of &quot;wage slave&quot; arrangements common throughout US history, from indentured service of debtors up to the modern reality of people who need to work in order to make rent so they don't lose their homes, is an exceedingly fuzzy boundary).&nbsp; No act is every invariably evil; it all depends on the circumstances, the motivations, and the effects.But that's just, like, my opinion, man.The &quot;canon&quot; is just the opinions of people who happen to have been hired by one particular company as writers, and not gainsaid by a particular editorial team.&nbsp; Many of their ideas are, in a word, stupid.&nbsp; The infamous succubus paladin is a fine example IMO of the sort of thing that absolutely 100% should never work.&nbsp; To say that a demon can become Good and still be a demon robs the very concept of Good and Evil of so much meaning that I'm pretty much flat unwilling to participate in any campaign where that sort of thing can happen.&nbsp; I'm okay with a succubus or the like being a &quot;lesser evil&quot; ina&nbsp; given situation, but Good?&nbsp; And particularly an incarnation of Good?&nbsp; No way in Hell, pardon the pun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Envisioner, post: 8006134, member: 6749263"] I'm not down with that level of absolutism. The line between killing and murder is very arbitrary and subjective. Torture might be necessary in order to protect others' lives in a critical situation. Slavery can be practiced in a consensual fashion, with respect for the dignity and rights of the slave even while deeming them unequal (and again, the distinction between full-on slavery and the kind of "wage slave" arrangements common throughout US history, from indentured service of debtors up to the modern reality of people who need to work in order to make rent so they don't lose their homes, is an exceedingly fuzzy boundary). No act is every invariably evil; it all depends on the circumstances, the motivations, and the effects. But that's just, like, my opinion, man. The "canon" is just the opinions of people who happen to have been hired by one particular company as writers, and not gainsaid by a particular editorial team. Many of their ideas are, in a word, stupid. The infamous succubus paladin is a fine example IMO of the sort of thing that absolutely 100% should never work. To say that a demon can become Good and still be a demon robs the very concept of Good and Evil of so much meaning that I'm pretty much flat unwilling to participate in any campaign where that sort of thing can happen. I'm okay with a succubus or the like being a "lesser evil" ina given situation, but Good? And particularly an [I]incarnation[/I] of Good? No way in Hell, pardon the pun. [/QUOTE]

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