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<blockquote data-quote="Malic" data-source="post: 2152340" data-attributes="member: 23799"><p>You know, it really suprises me how many people think this character is good or doing good deeds. It is a revenge story. He wakes up to find the girl dead and decides to kill everyone involved. While justifiable and understandable I don't really see how this is good. </p><p></p><p>His motivation is just that one girl, not removing the threat to others. All his questions are about what happened with her, and when it comes to a choice between her and the head of the organisation, it's her all the way. The fact that the 'good' police later picked up the bad guy is a sideshow, not part of his plan. He knows nothing and cares less about the existance of 'good' police, if I remember right.</p><p></p><p>Having decided that he will die to kill everyone, he then swaps his own life for the girl when she turns out to be alive after all. Surely even evil people can trade their lives for people/things they really believe in? What about evil minions who die protecting the BBEG?</p><p></p><p>I suppose you could argue that might be the one good act of an otherwise evil being.</p><p></p><p>The lawful/chaotic split is very interesting. People who think he is lawful, what does that leave for chaotic behaviour? </p><p></p><p>He was trained in the past, yes. I can imagine this was a lawful character before he burnt out. But he's hardly sticking to his training now.</p><p></p><p>He approaches the task somewhat methodically - but how else would you do it? It's not really an intricate plan. Find the guy you know about, beat the name of the next guy out of him, move on. He gets weapons together first, yes. But he doesn't have medical treatment, even though that would improve his chances of hanging on long enough to kill them all. Why? Because he's emotional about it and wants to kill everyone straight away? There are other possible reasons, but the movie doesn't really go into that, I think because of the working against time drama and the way it lets him die at the end.</p><p></p><p>Serious question. If this guy is not behaving chaotically, what would count as chaotic behaviour?</p><p></p><p>Hey, this is an interesting thread. More so than some other alignment threads as it has a fairly long sequence of known actions to think about, which we have all seen, and just to see the different interpretations and reasons that people put on them. I'm suprised that this has got me thinking so much about a movie I didn't like all that much.</p><p></p><p>Cheers, all!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malic, post: 2152340, member: 23799"] You know, it really suprises me how many people think this character is good or doing good deeds. It is a revenge story. He wakes up to find the girl dead and decides to kill everyone involved. While justifiable and understandable I don't really see how this is good. His motivation is just that one girl, not removing the threat to others. All his questions are about what happened with her, and when it comes to a choice between her and the head of the organisation, it's her all the way. The fact that the 'good' police later picked up the bad guy is a sideshow, not part of his plan. He knows nothing and cares less about the existance of 'good' police, if I remember right. Having decided that he will die to kill everyone, he then swaps his own life for the girl when she turns out to be alive after all. Surely even evil people can trade their lives for people/things they really believe in? What about evil minions who die protecting the BBEG? I suppose you could argue that might be the one good act of an otherwise evil being. The lawful/chaotic split is very interesting. People who think he is lawful, what does that leave for chaotic behaviour? He was trained in the past, yes. I can imagine this was a lawful character before he burnt out. But he's hardly sticking to his training now. He approaches the task somewhat methodically - but how else would you do it? It's not really an intricate plan. Find the guy you know about, beat the name of the next guy out of him, move on. He gets weapons together first, yes. But he doesn't have medical treatment, even though that would improve his chances of hanging on long enough to kill them all. Why? Because he's emotional about it and wants to kill everyone straight away? There are other possible reasons, but the movie doesn't really go into that, I think because of the working against time drama and the way it lets him die at the end. Serious question. If this guy is not behaving chaotically, what would count as chaotic behaviour? Hey, this is an interesting thread. More so than some other alignment threads as it has a fairly long sequence of known actions to think about, which we have all seen, and just to see the different interpretations and reasons that people put on them. I'm suprised that this has got me thinking so much about a movie I didn't like all that much. Cheers, all! [/QUOTE]
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