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<blockquote data-quote="Malic" data-source="post: 2154636" data-attributes="member: 23799"><p>Mmm, that is a good point which I had not considered. It does assume a 'code of duty' that I didn't notice any evidence for in the film, which conflicts with the only 'code'-like thing he does, indirectly, refer to (divine judgement). If true, it's is an interesting place to be at in alignment (and RP) terms.</p><p></p><p>Why do you assume, though, that his 'code' - which you seem to connect to previous unpleasant work while serving his country (I apologise if I've got that wrong) - would require him to take comprehensive revenge for the death of someone under his care / failing in his mission? Particularly since he had already warned the client he would not be sufficient protection against a professional attack?</p><p></p><p>I guess we both agree that having an internal code and sticking to it is lawful, while believing in a code and breaking it frequently is chaotic?</p><p></p><p>Hypothetical question : leaving aside the issue of how complex the 'mission plan' was, do you think revenge motivated by emotion would be non-lawful whereas revenge mandated by some personal code would be lawful?</p><p></p><p>Gotta say it seems like that to me.</p><p></p><p>If so, then Patryn of Elvenshae was right on the first page in saying that an alignment can't be assigned unless we know what motivated someone to do something. Which as fusangite points out contradicts the DMG "actions determine alignment, not statements of intent".</p><p></p><p>Which only goes to further show that the alignment system isn't much use for describing a character (let alone managing a PC as a DM!).</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p><p></p><p>(PS. Law=legal? Well at some point a lawful character has to have a 'highest law' they won't break. No reason you couldn't call that 'legal' too I guess. Also, a code learned from others is probably the most common for lawful characters - see 'respect for tradition and authority'. If it's the 'highest law' for that character, even if it's 'legal', yes they have to stick to it to be Lawful.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malic, post: 2154636, member: 23799"] Mmm, that is a good point which I had not considered. It does assume a 'code of duty' that I didn't notice any evidence for in the film, which conflicts with the only 'code'-like thing he does, indirectly, refer to (divine judgement). If true, it's is an interesting place to be at in alignment (and RP) terms. Why do you assume, though, that his 'code' - which you seem to connect to previous unpleasant work while serving his country (I apologise if I've got that wrong) - would require him to take comprehensive revenge for the death of someone under his care / failing in his mission? Particularly since he had already warned the client he would not be sufficient protection against a professional attack? I guess we both agree that having an internal code and sticking to it is lawful, while believing in a code and breaking it frequently is chaotic? Hypothetical question : leaving aside the issue of how complex the 'mission plan' was, do you think revenge motivated by emotion would be non-lawful whereas revenge mandated by some personal code would be lawful? Gotta say it seems like that to me. If so, then Patryn of Elvenshae was right on the first page in saying that an alignment can't be assigned unless we know what motivated someone to do something. Which as fusangite points out contradicts the DMG "actions determine alignment, not statements of intent". Which only goes to further show that the alignment system isn't much use for describing a character (let alone managing a PC as a DM!). Cheers! (PS. Law=legal? Well at some point a lawful character has to have a 'highest law' they won't break. No reason you couldn't call that 'legal' too I guess. Also, a code learned from others is probably the most common for lawful characters - see 'respect for tradition and authority'. If it's the 'highest law' for that character, even if it's 'legal', yes they have to stick to it to be Lawful.) [/QUOTE]
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