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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 3519689" data-attributes="member: 34175">I think you have struck a chord with me here - 'it's a rule therefore it should be straightforward' - call me old fashioned but I remember when the DMG had more pages than the PHB because the player just had to play, and know a few rules inside the character class, and the DM had to know the rules in whole.I think somewhere the rules lawyer of old became the normal player and this is why old school gamers tend to think of generalities in alignments while younger or newer players want defined terms, for that matter older gamers tend to think of generalities in regards to all rules, because with the exception of very specific circumstances, the DM could come up with practically any ruling based on who the DM was, what the situation was and what the die roll was.  I'm not saying that its better, just an observation.Please keep in mind that when I mean old school I mean 1EAD&D or earlier, before settings, before boxed sets, before "Complete" anything.  Am I wrong here or does this about sum it up, is it the 'way we were raised' senario playing out here or am I barking up the wrong tree?Please answer specifically and why you believe yah or nay.  But to zero in, when you post put down who long you've playing and with what edition you started.Me - 29 years, 1eAD&D.</blockquote>