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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3687723" data-attributes="member: 30001">I think it's pretty easy to find an example from the real world (oh, say torture for instance&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) where people can't even decide what's good and what's not when it really really matters.&nbsp; The alignment system was designed, apparently, under the assumption that such questions of &quot;what is good/evil&quot; were settled issues.&nbsp; This ignores the entire history of human thought.So, as someone else pointed out, I think you need to just decide as a DM what's good/evil/lawful/chaotic and deal with it.&nbsp; Tell people upfront, don't expect people to share your definitions.&nbsp; Tell someone before they do something evil that it's evil - because their character would know if he lives in a world with absolute standards.&nbsp; The player won't know because IMO he doesn't live in such a world.&nbsp; Otherwise it leads to frustration because the player is doing something he thinks is good and you're telling him he's not.Or, plan B (and the one I went with) is to drop the alignment system as written.&nbsp; I actually posted by new system some time back, and someone said it reminded them of the allegiances of d20 Modern, if that gives you an idea.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3687723, member: 30001"] I think it's pretty easy to find an example from the real world (oh, say torture for instance :) ) where people can't even decide what's good and what's not when it really really matters. The alignment system was designed, apparently, under the assumption that such questions of "what is good/evil" were settled issues. This ignores the entire history of human thought. So, as someone else pointed out, I think you need to just decide as a DM what's good/evil/lawful/chaotic and deal with it. Tell people upfront, don't expect people to share your definitions. Tell someone before they do something evil that it's evil - because their character would know if he lives in a world with absolute standards. The player won't know because IMO he doesn't live in such a world. Otherwise it leads to frustration because the player is doing something he thinks is good and you're telling him he's not. Or, plan B (and the one I went with) is to drop the alignment system as written. I actually posted by new system some time back, and someone said it reminded them of the allegiances of d20 Modern, if that gives you an idea. [/QUOTE]

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