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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5777484" data-attributes="member: 4937">And good and evil for that matter.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sadly, the various writers of D&amp;D have never been able to write very profoundly on the topic, and the problem is muddled more by different authors taking different stances on the meaning of the four alignments.&nbsp; Everyone basically agrees on good, but after that, it gets muddled.As for law and chaos, I've always thought that expressed at the moral level, it was essentially an argument between collectivism and individuality.&nbsp; On the one hand, the forces of organization and stability and on the other the forces of freedom and change.&nbsp; You seek to answer the question, &quot;Do the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one, or do the needs of the few, or the one, out weigh the needs of the many?&quot;&nbsp; Which comes foremost, and which is the source of your identity?&nbsp; Something inside you, or a relationship with something outside of you?&nbsp; I think a lot of confusion enters in on the word 'law' (as opposed to order), and it tends to conjure up the notion of a code - which is fitting but insufficient.&nbsp; It's not a question of whether or not you have a code, but whether you are the source of your own code or subjegate yourself to an external one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5777484, member: 4937"] And good and evil for that matter. Sadly, the various writers of D&D have never been able to write very profoundly on the topic, and the problem is muddled more by different authors taking different stances on the meaning of the four alignments. Everyone basically agrees on good, but after that, it gets muddled. As for law and chaos, I've always thought that expressed at the moral level, it was essentially an argument between collectivism and individuality. On the one hand, the forces of organization and stability and on the other the forces of freedom and change. You seek to answer the question, "Do the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one, or do the needs of the few, or the one, out weigh the needs of the many?" Which comes foremost, and which is the source of your identity? Something inside you, or a relationship with something outside of you? I think a lot of confusion enters in on the word 'law' (as opposed to order), and it tends to conjure up the notion of a code - which is fitting but insufficient. It's not a question of whether or not you have a code, but whether you are the source of your own code or subjegate yourself to an external one. [/QUOTE]

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