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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 5689514" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>The OP is confused and so are many (though not all) of the posters here who have followed into this discussion of rules and alignment. The OP's question is misguided and a trap because his question is irrelevant and has no application to the underlying facts which gave rise to the controversy.</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: Wheat"><strong>This is not an alignment question or a rules question. This is a gaming etiquette question and the rules for determining what is allowble or not are not to be found within a book. </strong></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p>If you were to ninja an item from a boss after, say a WoW raid or quest and purported to rely upon your "alignment" as justification of why you did something which was in every respect a breach of the social contract that governs gamers who play that game, there is no doubt at all what would happen in every WoW guild in the game: <span style="color: White">you would be summarily kicked out of the guild and you would never be permitted to raid/quest with that guild again. </span></p><p><span style="color: White"></span> </p><p>That's because the rules which operate in these circumstances and govern players acts are so important that they have migrated from tabletop to video games and trump all other rules of any game system, no matter how or where the game is played.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><span style="color: White">So you see, this isn't about the character involved or his actions, </span><span style="color: White">this is about the players involved and their actions. </span><strong> <span style="color: Orange">THIS IS PERSONAL.</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><strong><span style="color: Orange"></span></strong></span></p><p>If the GM won't fix this and prevent another player from being an ass at the table and breaching the social contract among gamers, get up, <span style="color: White">NOISILY and walk away and <em>never come back to their game again.</em> It is not a negotiable matter and th</span>ere is no rule which will support, sustain or condone the acts of those involved. At all. <span style="color: Wheat"><strong>Ever.</strong></span> </p><p></p><p>These guys are asses and you should not play D&D with them. That's it; we're done.</p><p></p><p>There is no right of appeal, no gloss to be placed upon the above comments or anything else within the game rules whatsoever which is germane to this discussion other than the social contract between gamers. </p><p></p><p>My guess is that the people involved here are relatively younger players who are inexperienced in the social nuances and rules which actually govern these circumstnaces. Adult men and women don't act like this at the table. </p><p></p><p>People play like that or allow others at their table to play like that? You walk away and you don't EVER return. That's the rule which governs: </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><strong>Thou Shalt not be an Ass to your Fellow Players at the Table. </strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><strong></strong></span></p><p>You won't find that rule in Original D&D, Basic D&D, 1st Ed, 2nd ed, 3.0, 3.5 or Pathfinder RPG. But I assure you that in every instance of every version of the game that has ever existed, that rule was present at the table during gameplay at every session since 1974 and will continue to trump every other rule or other consideration from now to the year that RPGs stop being played. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Wheat"><span style="color: White">That's it: <em>walk away and don't come back.</em></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 5689514, member: 20741"] The OP is confused and so are many (though not all) of the posters here who have followed into this discussion of rules and alignment. The OP's question is misguided and a trap because his question is irrelevant and has no application to the underlying facts which gave rise to the controversy. [I][COLOR=Wheat][B]This is not an alignment question or a rules question. This is a gaming etiquette question and the rules for determining what is allowble or not are not to be found within a book. [/B][/COLOR] [/I] If you were to ninja an item from a boss after, say a WoW raid or quest and purported to rely upon your "alignment" as justification of why you did something which was in every respect a breach of the social contract that governs gamers who play that game, there is no doubt at all what would happen in every WoW guild in the game: [COLOR=White]you would be summarily kicked out of the guild and you would never be permitted to raid/quest with that guild again. [/COLOR] That's because the rules which operate in these circumstances and govern players acts are so important that they have migrated from tabletop to video games and trump all other rules of any game system, no matter how or where the game is played. [COLOR=Wheat][COLOR=White]So you see, this isn't about the character involved or his actions, [/COLOR][COLOR=White]this is about the players involved and their actions. [/COLOR][B] [COLOR=Orange]THIS IS PERSONAL. [/COLOR][/B][/COLOR] If the GM won't fix this and prevent another player from being an ass at the table and breaching the social contract among gamers, get up, [COLOR=White]NOISILY and walk away and [I]never come back to their game again.[/I] It is not a negotiable matter and th[/COLOR]ere is no rule which will support, sustain or condone the acts of those involved. At all. [COLOR=Wheat][B]Ever.[/B][/COLOR] These guys are asses and you should not play D&D with them. That's it; we're done. There is no right of appeal, no gloss to be placed upon the above comments or anything else within the game rules whatsoever which is germane to this discussion other than the social contract between gamers. My guess is that the people involved here are relatively younger players who are inexperienced in the social nuances and rules which actually govern these circumstnaces. Adult men and women don't act like this at the table. People play like that or allow others at their table to play like that? You walk away and you don't EVER return. That's the rule which governs: [COLOR=Wheat][B]Thou Shalt not be an Ass to your Fellow Players at the Table. [/B][/COLOR] You won't find that rule in Original D&D, Basic D&D, 1st Ed, 2nd ed, 3.0, 3.5 or Pathfinder RPG. But I assure you that in every instance of every version of the game that has ever existed, that rule was present at the table during gameplay at every session since 1974 and will continue to trump every other rule or other consideration from now to the year that RPGs stop being played. [COLOR=Wheat][COLOR=White]That's it: [I]walk away and don't come back.[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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