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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SnowHeart" data-source="post: 4657832" data-attributes="member: 82099">Completely 100% agreed.With respect, that's somewhat condescending and not entirely true. In fact, I explicitly said it'd be nice to know what the existing alignments are but, regardless, it's helpful but not necessary. You do not need to know the alignment of the PC to discuss the "alignment" of the action. You can discuss the alignment of the action without determining whether it is appropriate or not. Example: I said the two characters who walked off behaved in a neutral fashion. Consequence: If they're already neutral nothing happens, but if they're good, there's a little bit of a shift.  Very true, and this is why I think the OP needs to discuss the matter with his players before he does anything. Observable actions are only part of the equation, IMO. You also need to understand what the motivation of the PCs (and the players) were at the time. P.S.You're right!  One of the great perverse facts is that Hawai'i has an interstate, despite the fact no other state touches it.  But, yes!  It is intra-party violence.</blockquote>