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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 808828" data-attributes="member: 707">But we aren't discussing law here, we're discussing morals.  So whether or not the guards have the lawful right to kill and you do not is immaterial.  To illustrate my point, consider that doctors currently have the lawful right to perform abortions, yet many still argue that they are, morally speaking, murderers.This is a very compelling argument for why turning over the giant to the guards would be the Lawful thing to do, but when determing the Good of an act, law becomes irrelevant.Let me rephrase it, then.  The situation would be different if the adventures know that the authorities can safely contain the fire giant, and thus judgement is a real option.  So long as the situation is thus, that the guards will almost certainly kill the giant, my assertions stand.Yes, see the above reply. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />This is an entirely different issue.  Sometimes we do things that aren't morally clean, and sometimes we believe those things are worth the moral cost.  If I kill a man who is threatening to kill my mother, I've commited a morally culpable act, but may still find it worth it.  I've placed my mother's life above her assailant's.  Is that Good?  No.  But I'd still do it again and again.  As I said, this really has no bearing on the issue at hand...Yes, but they cannot simply "pass the buck" and absolve themselves of responsibility.Consider this:  my brother has threatened his girlfriend that if he learns that she has cheated on him, he'll kill her.  He's serious, and I believe he'll do it.  I then learn that the gf cheated on my brother, and shortly afterward my brother asks me: did my gf cheat on me?I have a choice:  I can tell him the truth, or I can lie.  If I tell him the truth and my brother kills his gf, would you argue that I am blameless in the gf's death?If your answer is "yes," then we simply have different ethical views.  If your answer is "no" then look at the fire giant scenario again, because it's the same thing.</blockquote>

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