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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8294860" data-attributes="member: 5142">I can deal with the co-existence of demons and devils, but yugoloths, angels, and the other celestials feel like D&D artificially filling in alignment boxes.* The need to fill every planar alignment with its own brand of outsiders has always felt like a hot mess to me. * The irony is not lost on me of people criticizing 4e's classes as about filling in power/role boxes - which they never fully did (e.g., martial controller) - while ignoring how the Great Wheel is one giant exercise in artificial box filling. Again, this worked well IMHO of evoking ancient notions of the Chaoskampf found in human mythologies. A common idea therein is that moral evil (i.e., Evil) leads to cosmological chaos (i.e., Chaotic Evil) and conversely that moral goodness (i.e., Good) leads to and preserves cosmological order (i.e., Lawful Good). This is likely why 4e's use of alignment and its mythic cosmology resonated better with me than prior iterations, such as 2e and 3e's.</blockquote>