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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8772211" data-attributes="member: 18">Or, y'know, the Romans are. They're far better examples than ludicrous fantasy examples. The Romans did NOT "obey some rules of coexistence". They obeyed absolutely no rules of coexistence. They indulged in genocide, in the total destruction of other cultures (which they revelled in and celebrated), mass enslavement, enslavement and brutalization even of their own citizens. It doesn't matter if we like Cicero or not, they Romans have absolutely nothing positive to tell us about "coexistance". All they can say is that they were profoundly incapable of it.Their entire society was founded on a refusal to coexist. They got bullied by some allegedly-Celtic (but more like Geats or something) tribes back in like 400 BC (I forget exactly when), and since they reshaped their entire society into a machine for bullying other societies. And people hold them up as some shining example of civilization!There was a period when there was hope for them, after they'd calmed down a bit, I admit, but Caesar managed to push them back into their genocidal ways.Or what about the Spartans? You don't get much more "lacking in basic decency" than them, they lacked it towards the Helots, they lacked towards other Greeks, they even lacked it towards their own citizens.</blockquote>