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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9511854" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>No, they need to work towards making the place where they currently happen to be living more like they believe it ought to be. As do chaotic people. If you’re not taking an active part in shaping policy, you’re neutral. In my model, that is.</p><p></p><p>As long as “use that to make the world a more orderly place” means something that has a direct impact on the lives of others. If they’re just following a personal code whilst otherwise living and letting live, that’s neutral behavior in my book. Law and chaos are <em>active</em> forces. Passivity is inherently neutral.</p><p></p><p>You’re talking about, like, a lawful good character working against the interests of an unjust government in hopes of replacing it with a more just one? In my model, its actions, not intentions, that matter. Acting to dismantle an established social order is a chaotic action, even if it is with the intent of later instituting a better, more lawful social order in its place. That’s ok though! A character who holds lawful good ideals may be willing to temporarily engage in chaotic action in service to a longer-term lawful goal, their alignment might even temporarily shift to neutral good or even chaotic good as a result (presumably shifting back when/if those longer term goals are achieved). That’s a compelling story if you ask me!</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, if the character isn’t willing to compromise their own ethics in the short term, they might maintain their lawful alignment by working <em>within</em> existing power structures, to reform them rather than engaging in revolutionary action to dismantle and replace those power structures. Of course, if those existing power structures are lawful evil, working to reform them from within may require compromise of their altruistic ideals, and their actions may temporarily lead to a shift to lawful neutral or even lawful evil, until they succeed in instituting those reforms and can start moving back towards lawful good.</p><p></p><p>These sorts of questions are what make for the most interesting roleplaying, in my opinion. What do you do when your own values come into conflict with one another? What do you prioritize when you have multiple drives that are mutually exclusive? Thats the potential power of alignment when used effectively.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 9511854, member: 6779196"] No, they need to work towards making the place where they currently happen to be living more like they believe it ought to be. As do chaotic people. If you’re not taking an active part in shaping policy, you’re neutral. In my model, that is. As long as “use that to make the world a more orderly place” means something that has a direct impact on the lives of others. If they’re just following a personal code whilst otherwise living and letting live, that’s neutral behavior in my book. Law and chaos are [I]active[/I] forces. Passivity is inherently neutral. You’re talking about, like, a lawful good character working against the interests of an unjust government in hopes of replacing it with a more just one? In my model, its actions, not intentions, that matter. Acting to dismantle an established social order is a chaotic action, even if it is with the intent of later instituting a better, more lawful social order in its place. That’s ok though! A character who holds lawful good ideals may be willing to temporarily engage in chaotic action in service to a longer-term lawful goal, their alignment might even temporarily shift to neutral good or even chaotic good as a result (presumably shifting back when/if those longer term goals are achieved). That’s a compelling story if you ask me! Alternatively, if the character isn’t willing to compromise their own ethics in the short term, they might maintain their lawful alignment by working [I]within[/I] existing power structures, to reform them rather than engaging in revolutionary action to dismantle and replace those power structures. Of course, if those existing power structures are lawful evil, working to reform them from within may require compromise of their altruistic ideals, and their actions may temporarily lead to a shift to lawful neutral or even lawful evil, until they succeed in instituting those reforms and can start moving back towards lawful good. These sorts of questions are what make for the most interesting roleplaying, in my opinion. What do you do when your own values come into conflict with one another? What do you prioritize when you have multiple drives that are mutually exclusive? Thats the potential power of alignment when used effectively. [/QUOTE]
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