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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 364740" data-attributes="member: 3929">[IMHO]You might want to rethink Nihilism.  This can swing both ways:If nothing has value, why not give that beggar over there your jewel-studded, bright, shining sword? Any reason as to why not would be assigning value to the sword, something "nihilists" wouldn't do.Actually, why not kill that beggar instead? His life is valueless so it's ok. BUT, his death is also valueless so there should be no pleasure gained, ie, no reason to do it.Nihilism can lead to both Good and Evil results. I'd put it in Neutral. This definition sounds like the 2e version of CN.AlsoIf your definition of Abusive were applied, all fathers everywhere who spanked their children as punishment would be Evil. It is excessive and unwarranted punishment that would make that father Evil. Those adjectives are missing from your explanation.Shoot, I'd be Evil because I use to slap my dog on the butt when she pooed on the carpet. Does this mean that Sally Struthers, by showing them pictures of starving children, made all Americans who did not send money to her or someone else Evil? Darn, looks like I'm Evil again. Sure, you might want fantastic heros, but look at the heros of antiquity:Achillies: his heel was symbolic for character flaws, I think.Odyssius: his pride off the island of the cyclops killed half of his crew.Jacob: decieved his older brother, Esau, to recieve the covenant passed down from Isaac; God gave it to him!Lu Bu: (Chinese) A warrior of great renoun, but oft faithless.Alexander the Great: meglomaniac, anyone?Oedipus: this guy is riddled with faults.An Example from Tolkein: Turin Turambar, accounted by Tolkein to be one of the great heroes of the first age, even though the man was morally weak.They are great because they are also human.You want flawless? Then I guess Heracles is more for you. I think he isn't nearly as interesting. "Oooh, he picked up an even heavier load of bricks this time!"[/IMHO]</blockquote>

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