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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LoneWolf23" data-source="post: 364887" data-attributes="member: 643">I got my concept of Nihilism from the old 2e Complete Book of Villains, which treats Nihilism as an Evil Trait: Evil in the form of Emptiness, with the Lotus Eaters of The Odyssey being given as an exemple.  But if the name bothers you, I guess I can change it to something more Evil...All right, I'll edit it appropriatly.Hmm...  Well, Achilles and Odyssius are more Neutral then Good, Idunno about Jacob or Lu Bu,  Alexander the Great's behavior paints him as Chaotic Neutral/Chaotic Evil, and Oedipus is Neutral, I believe.Dunno about Turin, but I know that Tolkein's most famous heroes, the Fellowship of the Ring, have members that are almost all morally strong, or grow strength as their adventure goes on.Yes, but heroes come into two categories: Flawed heroes who fail and thus serve more as object lessons in Hubris, or noble heroes who transcend their flaws (or are innocents) who succed and serve as positive examples.  Compare Lancelot to Galahad, for exemple.  Or Cinderella to her Wicked Step-Sisters.Well... if you want the traditional Herakles, that guy had issues of his own.  Namely, he was was a serious hedonist ready to do almost anything for fun, and prone to serious temper tantrums, with even the slightest affront was enough to get him mad.  He was always deeply remorseful afterwards, and most of his quests were really attempts at making amends to the people he hurt.But there are modern-day heroes who can combine almost flawless qualities with interesting personalities.  Just take Marvel's Captain America for exemple.  He's essentially the Perfect Boyscout, but he's not uninteresting.  He's a strong man who has strong, uncompromising ideals, and tries to do the good thing no matter what.</blockquote>

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