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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 368219" data-attributes="member: 3929">IRL, I think humans are just as animal as the apes we used to be. This creates a Good-Evil axis that is closer to Survival-Failure. Success and survival are the two greatest human virtues. This does not mean that failing is Evil; G and E don't even come into the equation. Morality is a construction forced onto humanity. But hey, this is DnD. Alignment exists.It's not the Good alignment that bothers me, it's the drive for perfection in DnD heros. My list of antiquated heros was posted to show that many of our heros were not perfect, and in many cases not Good. I spoke out of ignorance. My apologies. Heracles popped into my mind as the strong man hero who is unassociated with moral judgements. A thrust, perhaps? Granted: a book is a mirror; if a monkey looks in, no apostle can look out.However, the Bard who forces the reader to sludge through a mire of literary devices and hides his real meaning is doing a disservice. It can also be a problem with the Bard.Also, someone sitting on a bed with $100 bills laughing at dying children is not the kind of person I was referring to. You know that. Is this structure not reasonable when looking at Sally Struthers commercials:Good - Neutral - EvilMoved to Pity and Action - Unmoved - Moved to Mirth and/or DerrisionAlas, I gotta get out of Dodge.Later.</blockquote>