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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6190304" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>No problem. The point is that you have this worked out. In my case, the exact details of you extended explanation doesn't make sense for my homebrew world, because in that world there is just one Orichalcum thread - and you can go and physically inspect it if you have the requisite magical technology and you can sweet talk the Astral Devas that guard it. </p><p></p><p>But, your world is your world. Maybe in your world necromancy isn't evil, or it's evil for different reasons. But you shouldn't think that just because it has an 'Evil' descriptor on a spell that your work as DM is done and you just have to point at that and say, "See." If you can't think of a good reason for it to be evil, you shouldn't have it evil (which means accepting that there will be perfectly good and moral societies that routinely employ zombie labor). Personally, I can think of lots of reasons why you wouldn't want to employ necromancy that are fully satisfying and interesting to me, and so in my game it's definitely Evil.</p><p></p><p>But really, 'Animate Dead' isn't even likely to be where you have the conflict. The real show stoppers are going to be when it matters whether some hot bottom real life behavior often considered a vice is aligned in some fashion according to your world's definitions.</p><p></p><p>Questions:</p><p>a) Is adultery chaotic, evil, both, or neither?</p><p>b) Is fornication chaotic, evil, both, or neither?</p><p>c) Is slavery lawful, evil, both, or neither? </p><p>d) Is abortion chaotic, evil, both, or neither?</p><p>e) Is being sexist/racist (or other socially repulsive behavior or belief) evil, or is it just being a jerk, or is it just being a jerk if you are insensitive about your beliefs? And for that matter, is being a jerk evil or is 'jerkiness' all in the eye of the beholder?</p><p>f) Is drunkenness/intoxication chaotic, evil, both, or neither?</p><p>g) Is gambling lawful, chaotic, evil, some, or none?</p><p></p><p>You provoke those questions and similar ones in game at your own risk, and should take care about the beliefs of the group and possible sensitivities. Theory crafting is all well and good, but sometimes you just need to leave the subject alone for the peace of the table.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6190304, member: 4937"] No problem. The point is that you have this worked out. In my case, the exact details of you extended explanation doesn't make sense for my homebrew world, because in that world there is just one Orichalcum thread - and you can go and physically inspect it if you have the requisite magical technology and you can sweet talk the Astral Devas that guard it. But, your world is your world. Maybe in your world necromancy isn't evil, or it's evil for different reasons. But you shouldn't think that just because it has an 'Evil' descriptor on a spell that your work as DM is done and you just have to point at that and say, "See." If you can't think of a good reason for it to be evil, you shouldn't have it evil (which means accepting that there will be perfectly good and moral societies that routinely employ zombie labor). Personally, I can think of lots of reasons why you wouldn't want to employ necromancy that are fully satisfying and interesting to me, and so in my game it's definitely Evil. But really, 'Animate Dead' isn't even likely to be where you have the conflict. The real show stoppers are going to be when it matters whether some hot bottom real life behavior often considered a vice is aligned in some fashion according to your world's definitions. Questions: a) Is adultery chaotic, evil, both, or neither? b) Is fornication chaotic, evil, both, or neither? c) Is slavery lawful, evil, both, or neither? d) Is abortion chaotic, evil, both, or neither? e) Is being sexist/racist (or other socially repulsive behavior or belief) evil, or is it just being a jerk, or is it just being a jerk if you are insensitive about your beliefs? And for that matter, is being a jerk evil or is 'jerkiness' all in the eye of the beholder? f) Is drunkenness/intoxication chaotic, evil, both, or neither? g) Is gambling lawful, chaotic, evil, some, or none? You provoke those questions and similar ones in game at your own risk, and should take care about the beliefs of the group and possible sensitivities. Theory crafting is all well and good, but sometimes you just need to leave the subject alone for the peace of the table. [/QUOTE]
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