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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5478507" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>You seem to have confused the motivation of law with the motivation of good, which is ironic, because lawful good generally isn't known for giving exemptions on its moral code. And once against you seem to have defined good and evil tribally. If you strip your statement of the tribal identifiers, it's underlying meaning is even made more clear:</p><p></p><p>"Torching an [allied] city to kill one or two [enemy] commoners does not serve the greater Good. Torturing one [allied] soldier to root out and stop an [enemy] organisation that threatens to destroy that [allied] city DOES serve the greater Good."</p><p></p><p>Written that way it is clear that in your conception there is no moral difference here between Lawful Evil and Lawful Good. Greater good is defined in terms of strengthening your tribe. Everything in your conception seems to be just a tribe fighting for its cut, differing only in superficial trappings.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Demons have duties? Once again, you're defining everything lawful terms. Demons have no duties. No one imposes on them nor do they impose on themselves a burden to fulfill some external and reviewable moral code. They have no obligations, no responcibilities, no loyalties and those things are so alien to them that they don't believe that they exist nor do they even have words for those things. If someone were to tell a being of pure chaos that they had 'a duty', they could only understand that some clever individual fooled them into enslaving themselves for some nefarious purpose and all the explanation for what a duty is would strike them as so much utter and detestable nonsense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5478507, member: 4937"] You seem to have confused the motivation of law with the motivation of good, which is ironic, because lawful good generally isn't known for giving exemptions on its moral code. And once against you seem to have defined good and evil tribally. If you strip your statement of the tribal identifiers, it's underlying meaning is even made more clear: "Torching an [allied] city to kill one or two [enemy] commoners does not serve the greater Good. Torturing one [allied] soldier to root out and stop an [enemy] organisation that threatens to destroy that [allied] city DOES serve the greater Good." Written that way it is clear that in your conception there is no moral difference here between Lawful Evil and Lawful Good. Greater good is defined in terms of strengthening your tribe. Everything in your conception seems to be just a tribe fighting for its cut, differing only in superficial trappings. Demons have duties? Once again, you're defining everything lawful terms. Demons have no duties. No one imposes on them nor do they impose on themselves a burden to fulfill some external and reviewable moral code. They have no obligations, no responcibilities, no loyalties and those things are so alien to them that they don't believe that they exist nor do they even have words for those things. If someone were to tell a being of pure chaos that they had 'a duty', they could only understand that some clever individual fooled them into enslaving themselves for some nefarious purpose and all the explanation for what a duty is would strike them as so much utter and detestable nonsense. [/QUOTE]
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