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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8695413" data-attributes="member: 7026617">That's not the whole issue, however.&nbsp; Remember part of this discussion isn't just &quot;should you do this?&quot; but &quot;should you do this while hiding the fact you ever even do it?&quot;&nbsp; I think it can absolutely be defensible to do this.&nbsp; I'm a little less on board being coy about it when its spotted by people.&nbsp; But I absolutely think its bad practice to just go in assuming everyone will be okay with you do it without actually ever bringing it up.&nbsp; The latter is a violation of trust in the social contract and I don't think I'm being hyperbolic to state so.(Caveat: there's some muddy ground involving a GM who thinks he knows his players well enough to be able to use it with a technique without consulting with them about it. I play with people who I've gamed with anywhere from 10 years to more than 40 at this point, and I think they're all pretty clear that I'll occasionally do things like this at this point so I don't need to have this discussion (helped by the fact its not a technique I like using (I usually consider it a failure state of set-up), so I use it rarely, and most of the ones who've known me for a time know that too).&nbsp; But I absolutely would not make that assumption with a new group of players or even a single player these days, and I don't really think anyone else should.&nbsp; Talk to them about it.&nbsp; If they're good, then its good.)This makes a massive assumption about more consistency in gaming cultures than I think is warranted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8695413, member: 7026617"] That's not the whole issue, however. Remember part of this discussion isn't just "should you do this?" but "should you do this while [I]hiding the fact you ever even do it[/I]?" I think it can absolutely be defensible to do this. I'm a little less on board being coy about it when its spotted by people. But I [I]absolutely[/I] think its bad practice to just go in assuming everyone will be okay with you do it without actually ever bringing it up. The latter is a violation of trust in the social contract and I don't think I'm being hyperbolic to state so. (Caveat: there's some muddy ground involving a GM who thinks he knows his players well enough to be able to use it with a technique without consulting with them about it. I play with people who I've gamed with anywhere from 10 years to more than 40 at this point, and I think they're all pretty clear that I'll occasionally do things like this at this point so I don't need to have this discussion (helped by the fact its not a technique I [I]like[/I] using (I usually consider it a failure state of set-up), so I use it rarely, and most of the ones who've known me for a time know [I]that[/I] too). But I absolutely would not make that assumption with a new group of players or even a single player these days, and I don't really think anyone else should. Talk to them about it. If they're good, then its good.) This makes a [I]massive[/I] assumption about more consistency in gaming cultures than I think is warranted. [/QUOTE]

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