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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 8697063" data-attributes="member: 6684958">Well, I see a lot pre made adventure always badwrongfun and an improv adventure is super cool.&nbsp; It also seems like the player &quot;choice&quot; seems to be all about the random &quot;like real life&quot; type games popular on line&nbsp; where a character just does normal stuff like shopping and laundry.Why do players think that any of their choices are altering the game reality?&nbsp; At least 75% of them, like what road to take or door to open are way to mundane to matter.&nbsp; And even the &quot;big choices&quot; don't matter too much, as they again don't really alter the game reality. I get there are other games that let players alter the game reality on a whim....but D&amp;D is not one of those games.It's hard to reply to all your jargon word salad thoughTaking away jargon word salad is never wrong.I wonder how I can trick and lie to so many players and still they have fun and a good game and never even notice.&nbsp; They make dozes of choices during game play...none alter the game reality....but somehow they don't notice.Odd, I see a lie and lots of deception there.&nbsp; So a PC knew some vague information you carefully sculpted to hide what was going on?&nbsp; Notice how you BLATANTLY hit the part about the NPC doing experiments with the Alien(TM).&nbsp; Just let that part out?&nbsp; Just &quot;randomly decided&quot; that &quot;somehow&quot; the PCs did not know about it?&nbsp; And why did you not tell the PC?&nbsp; Was it to not ruin the surprise?&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; &quot;oh the NPC in sick bay is doing dangerous reckless Alien(tm) experiments with no security protections.&quot;&nbsp; I think for forgot the &quot;surprise&quot; part in the second story.&nbsp; Unless your saying the the &quot;surprise&quot; was the brother was evil?&nbsp; But that is only a surprise if the brother was never mentioned before and the player had no chance to learn anything about them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 8697063, member: 6684958"] Well, I see a lot pre made adventure always badwrongfun and an improv adventure is super cool. It also seems like the player "choice" seems to be all about the random "like real life" type games popular on line where a character just does normal stuff like shopping and laundry. Why do players think that any of their choices are altering the game reality? At least 75% of them, like what road to take or door to open are way to mundane to matter. And even the "big choices" don't matter too much, as they again don't really alter the game reality. I get there are other games that let players alter the game reality on a whim....but D&D is not one of those games. It's hard to reply to all your jargon word salad though Taking away jargon word salad is never wrong. I wonder how I can trick and lie to so many players and still they have fun and a good game and never even notice. They make dozes of choices during game play...none alter the game reality....but somehow they don't notice. Odd, I see a lie and lots of deception there. So a PC knew some vague information you carefully sculpted to hide what was going on? Notice how you BLATANTLY hit the part about the NPC doing experiments with the Alien(TM). Just let that part out? Just "randomly decided" that "somehow" the PCs did not know about it? And why did you not tell the PC? Was it to not ruin the surprise? DM: "oh the NPC in sick bay is doing dangerous reckless Alien(tm) experiments with no security protections." I think for forgot the "surprise" part in the second story. Unless your saying the the "surprise" was the brother was evil? But that is only a surprise if the brother was never mentioned before and the player had no chance to learn anything about them. [/QUOTE]

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