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<blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 8697304" data-attributes="member: 762"><p>For some it's simply this:</p><p></p><p>Was the DM honest with the choices (or lack of choices) presented? If yes, cool. If no, not cool.</p><p></p><p>(Hopefully) easy example:</p><p></p><p>1. PCs are going from point A to point B. They encounter a door. They open the door and there's an ogre behind it, they encounter the ogre. There was NO choice here to be impacted. Just an obstacle to be overcome. For me, this is fine.</p><p></p><p>2. PCs are going from point A to point B. They encounter 2 doors they could go through. They pick one at random - and encounter an ogre. For me, it makes no difference if the DM had decided that they would encounter an ogre either way ,(or that there was a 50% chance of ogre or whatever), because there was no real choice present. Heck there could have been 2 ogres.</p><p></p><p>3. PCs are going from point A to point B and encounter 2 doors. But these PCs decide to do some research, through tracking, augury, interviewing locals, whatever. They discover taking the door on the right leads to a shorter, but more dangerous route, while the path on the left is longer but less dangerous. The group feeling rushed for time, takes the supposedly shorter route. They encounter an ogre vanquish it and move on. Would some in the group feel cheated if they found out that had they taken the other route they would have faced the same ogre under the same circumstances? I can see how they would!</p><p></p><p>How would someone find out? Well maybe they wouldn't, but things have a way of getting out. I remember back in college (when everyone had way too much time) I had a roommate who was in a different group with the same DM I had. I don't remember anything like this coming up, but we did talk and sometimes even compare. If I had found out we had the same scenario, picked different options but had the exact same scene play out? Wouldn't I be justified in being a bit annoyed?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mort, post: 8697304, member: 762"] For some it's simply this: Was the DM honest with the choices (or lack of choices) presented? If yes, cool. If no, not cool. (Hopefully) easy example: 1. PCs are going from point A to point B. They encounter a door. They open the door and there's an ogre behind it, they encounter the ogre. There was NO choice here to be impacted. Just an obstacle to be overcome. For me, this is fine. 2. PCs are going from point A to point B. They encounter 2 doors they could go through. They pick one at random - and encounter an ogre. For me, it makes no difference if the DM had decided that they would encounter an ogre either way ,(or that there was a 50% chance of ogre or whatever), because there was no real choice present. Heck there could have been 2 ogres. 3. PCs are going from point A to point B and encounter 2 doors. But these PCs decide to do some research, through tracking, augury, interviewing locals, whatever. They discover taking the door on the right leads to a shorter, but more dangerous route, while the path on the left is longer but less dangerous. The group feeling rushed for time, takes the supposedly shorter route. They encounter an ogre vanquish it and move on. Would some in the group feel cheated if they found out that had they taken the other route they would have faced the same ogre under the same circumstances? I can see how they would! How would someone find out? Well maybe they wouldn't, but things have a way of getting out. I remember back in college (when everyone had way too much time) I had a roommate who was in a different group with the same DM I had. I don't remember anything like this coming up, but we did talk and sometimes even compare. If I had found out we had the same scenario, picked different options but had the exact same scene play out? Wouldn't I be justified in being a bit annoyed? [/QUOTE]
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