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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8698188" data-attributes="member: 6779196">It doesn’t particularly matter what’s behind either door, because that’s not an informed decision. No agency is being violated if there’s an ogre behind both doors. Now, if the players have some information that might influence their decision - for example some door guardian has given them a riddle that indicates one door leads to safety and the other leads to certain death, it is violating their agency if both doors actually lead to safety. Yes, but if that framing contains information that the players rely on to make a decision, and that decision has no actual impact on the outcome, then they have been deceived. The “lie” there is that their decision matters, that they’ve been given information they can leverage to affect a desired outcome, when in fact, the outcome is the same regardless.The red and green door example illuminates nothing because the players aren’t really making a decision there; at least not a meaningful one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8698188, member: 6779196"] It doesn’t particularly matter what’s behind either door, because that’s not an informed decision. No agency is being violated if there’s an ogre behind both doors. Now, if the players have some information that might influence their decision - for example some door guardian has given them a riddle that indicates one door leads to safety and the other leads to certain death, it is violating their agency if both doors actually lead to safety. Yes, but if that framing contains information that the players rely on to make a decision, and that decision has no actual impact on the outcome, then they have been deceived. The “lie” there is that their decision matters, that they’ve been given information they can leverage to affect a desired outcome, when in fact, the outcome is the same regardless. The red and green door example illuminates nothing because the players aren’t really making a decision there; at least not a meaningful one. [/QUOTE]

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