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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 8698359" data-attributes="member: 6684958">I agree.So the first not so big problem is the irrational crazy player reaction.&nbsp; Even mention a railroad, and some players will refuse to play and run away from the game screaming.&nbsp; &nbsp; And, fine, let them run away and find some other game.&nbsp;&nbsp; Though the problem comes where player A is the ride or brother or best pal of player B.&nbsp; So if player A runs away from the game screaming &quot;railroad bad....aaaaaahhh!&quot;, then they take player B with them.&nbsp; So, to keep players you need to deceive crazy player A.Also, you can tell all the players Railroad all the live long day.&nbsp; But, as you can see in the thread, everyone has a different word salad definition.&nbsp; So the player thinks 'railroading' is X, but they can't see it or even know it's happening....other then the DM said so.&nbsp; But when the player makes 100 choices and &quot;feels on rails&quot; then are fine thinking there really is no railroad.A couple of pages ago, someone said that a DM can just say something like &quot;attention players I am changing things behind the scenes&quot; and when the players nod yes and say &quot;ok&quot;, then the DM is allowed to do anything as they now have player permision.&nbsp; So if a DM, by themselves, moves an ogre, it's always wrong.&nbsp; DM asks players to &quot;move things around&quot; and the players say &quot;ok&quot;, then the DM can do whatever they want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 8698359, member: 6684958"] I agree. So the first not so big problem is the irrational crazy player reaction. Even mention a railroad, and some players will refuse to play and run away from the game screaming. And, fine, let them run away and find some other game. Though the problem comes where player A is the ride or brother or best pal of player B. So if player A runs away from the game screaming "railroad bad....aaaaaahhh!", then they take player B with them. So, to keep players you need to deceive crazy player A. Also, you can tell all the players Railroad all the live long day. But, as you can see in the thread, everyone has a different word salad definition. So the player thinks 'railroading' is X, but they can't see it or even know it's happening....other then the DM said so. But when the player makes 100 choices and "feels on rails" then are fine thinking there really is no railroad. A couple of pages ago, someone said that a DM can just say something like "attention players I am changing things behind the scenes" and when the players nod yes and say "ok", then the DM is allowed to do anything as they now have player permision. So if a DM, by themselves, moves an ogre, it's always wrong. DM asks players to "move things around" and the players say "ok", then the DM can do whatever they want. [/QUOTE]

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