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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8746394" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This is true but it's equally fair to note that throughout history, with depictions of paradises, whether from deep mythology, or modern literature or other media, it is pretty rare to see a paradise or attempted paradise that isn't at least in harmony with nature, if not actively a product of nature. Certainly I think most humans have a conception of paradise that centers around the natural. Generally those whose idea of paradise is something like a flat endless white plane, or a never-ending empty city or the like are depicted as adversaries of humanity as whole, or other alienated from humanity. Perhaps that's unfair and perhaps it'll change but I think it holds for the foreseeable future.</p></blockquote><p></p>