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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8713960" data-attributes="member: 6799660">That was definitely the narrative going around when I played BITD. We started with a B/BX/BECMI/AD&D hybrid in '83 (DM had first-printing Mentzer Basic and Expert, everyone else got what they could find) and kept that ongoing campaign going for a decade or so, but outside that core group, we always had to switch to AD&D or later 2e as all the other groups treated basic-classic as the thing you moved on from once you got serious. We kept that main campaign going for continuity, and for when we did want to play domain style play (which the Companion set did pretty well, although looking back on it it isn't what I'd do now), and for plane-hopping high-level play (we considered the planar cosmology of BECMI to be superior to the AD&D wheel-o'-alignment-themed-planes), but kinda-sorta felt like the kids who keep playing checkers when the other smartish kids had moved on to chess, or whatever analogy works for you.I think it also benefits that it is the first edition where it is easy to make and play characters the first time and such (3e and 4e, IMO, being very good 'person's second TTRPG') after a bunch of fantasy things like LotR and WoW and anime became widespread mainstream. Also after the TSR-WotC switch that jettisoned stuff like racial restrictions, hyper-lethal-low-levels, 'this class sucks at low levels, but at high levels you'll shine, so it is balanced' and  and other stuff that was a reason why I had a lot of friends growing up who tried D&D or AD&D, but didn't make it past the learning curve to get to the fun part. I've always assumed that BX and BE (and it is notable how much CMI drops off) was most often a low of casual dungeon crawling. My main group very much looked at AD&D as 'everyone else prefers this, but I see a lot of complexity searching for a point' in it until the supplementary 2e red-brown books started making crafting a specific character became a bigger focus.I don't feel like this is representative of my experience. Mind you, I've seen every kind of gate-keeping, line-drawing, my-nest-is-best-ing, and other forms of tribalism amongst TTRPG players online (and of course no one fights as bitterly as siblings). That said, my take would have been that everyone that stuck with/fondly remembered basic-classic considered each other more alike each other than those that aligned with either of the AD&Ds, and they all are more alike than WotC-era D&D. And when the OSR started, the biggest split I noticed was the OSRIC crowd trying to make AD&D-alikes the standard and the others like Labyrinth Lord and Basic Fantasy RPG (and Swords and Wizardry, Beyond the Wall, etc. etc.) taking a kinda split-the-difference BX or BE part of BECMI approach -- with few of them really focusing on the places where BX and BECMI greatly differ -- not looking at level 15+ and often having alternate thief implementation (making it hard to say if it was the BX or BE progression). <h3></h3></blockquote>

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