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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CubicsRube" data-source="post: 8320210" data-attributes="member: 6848185">I generally avoid social rolls if the players make a good point unless they request to make the roll.In Shadow of the Demon Lord they have INT and WIL stats (no CHA) and I choose based on if they are using emotions or rational arguments to try and decieve, persude or otherwise manipulate an NPC.I would much prefer in D&D more nuanced skills such as "convince" (using logic and INT) , inspire (using WIS) and sway (using CHA) or similar things, so you can choose the kind of social character you want to be.i could talk about this quite a lot, but in the real world there are many CEOs, leaders and motivational types that have their own styles, techniques and niches. It's extremely reductive to have one skill called "persuade".</blockquote>