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<blockquote data-quote="scourger" data-source="post: 2808392" data-attributes="member: 12328">I agree that d20 D&amp;D is broken.&nbsp; I find it unmanageable to DM past about levels 6-8.&nbsp; The war of attrition in the magic arms race just gets out of hand.&nbsp; It is awesome for low levels.&nbsp; Everything is codified.&nbsp; But, that same comprehensivenss makes it break down.&nbsp; It's just too complicated.&nbsp; It gets less complicated when you go back to earlier editions.&nbsp; But, the Basic Set cicra 1980 that I just reacquired is pretty simple because it only goes to level 3.&nbsp; Also, all the D&amp;D players I've known have a strong set of preconceived notions about what the game is (or should be), usually going back about 25 years, and theyr'e all different to lesser or greater degrees.&nbsp; It is virtually impossible to meet all the expectations, and when the game breaks down when it isn't run the &quot;right&quot; way.&nbsp; It feels too familiar to me as a player, too.&nbsp; &nbsp; So, my solution is to run Savage Worlds.&nbsp; I've been having a ball with Tour of Darkness.&nbsp; It totally frees me from all the complications and preconceptions.&nbsp; It's a blast.&nbsp; I hope Savage Worlds does fantasy as well.&nbsp; I plan to find out next year.The most fun I've had with d20 has been other games.&nbsp; I still really love Omega World, and I would like to run Judge Dredd again.&nbsp; The most fun I've had with Star Wars is in an all-jedi campaign, but I think the point of that game is to play jedi.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="scourger, post: 2808392, member: 12328"] I agree that d20 D&D is broken. I find it unmanageable to DM past about levels 6-8. The war of attrition in the magic arms race just gets out of hand. It is awesome for low levels. Everything is codified. But, that same comprehensivenss makes it break down. It's just too complicated. It gets less complicated when you go back to earlier editions. But, the Basic Set cicra 1980 that I just reacquired is pretty simple because it only goes to level 3. Also, all the D&D players I've known have a strong set of preconceived notions about what the game is (or should be), usually going back about 25 years, and theyr'e all different to lesser or greater degrees. It is virtually impossible to meet all the expectations, and when the game breaks down when it isn't run the "right" way. It feels too familiar to me as a player, too. So, my solution is to run Savage Worlds. I've been having a ball with Tour of Darkness. It totally frees me from all the complications and preconceptions. It's a blast. I hope Savage Worlds does fantasy as well. I plan to find out next year. The most fun I've had with d20 has been other games. I still really love Omega World, and I would like to run Judge Dredd again. The most fun I've had with Star Wars is in an all-jedi campaign, but I think the point of that game is to play jedi. [/QUOTE]

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