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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5746287" data-attributes="member: 92511">I do like that idea. Wasn't really thrilled with meshing Int. and Wis. together. Incorporating &quot;sense of Will&quot; into Persona (which does work) and making that the Cleric-based magic ability works great for me. Didn't love the term &quot;Mental&quot; either, so let's make that &quot;Smarts.&quot; This works as the ability for Magic-users magic ability, &quot;book smarts&quot; and the acquisition of skills (important for everyone, but especially Thieves), as &quot;street smarts.&quot;And thank you for reading my mind and breaking down the 4 Defenses/Saves for me! &quot;Endurance&quot;, of course, will have to be linked to Persona (force of will to keep going?), since we don't have a &quot;constitution score&quot;, whereas &quot;Mental&quot; would, somewhat clumsily, be linked to &quot;Smarts&quot;.So, Abilities: Strength, Agility, Smarts, Personaand Defenses (as opposed to &quot;saves&quot;):Physical (AC): your defense against physical attack. I'm gonna propose your armor and Agility modifier (if any)Reflex (agility +smarts based): your defense against falling, for dodging attacks and avoiding (or, at least, lessening) area-effects Mental (smarts + persona based): your defense against mind-effecting magics, &quot;seeing through&quot; illusions, fear and confusion effectsEndurance (strength + persona based): your defense against poisons, physical-effecting magics (polymorph, slow/haste, &quot;death magic&quot; etc.), exhaustion and environmental hazardsAs has always been the way, from Basic on through, these are by no means exhaustive in their coverage and DM &quot;best/closest option&quot; adjudications are expected to be made in play. An area effect &quot;mass charm&quot; spell, for example...is it Reflex or is it Mental? DM decides or, if being kind, player uses their best option.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5746287, member: 92511"] I do like that idea. Wasn't really thrilled with meshing Int. and Wis. together. Incorporating "sense of Will" into Persona (which does work) and making that the Cleric-based magic ability works great for me. Didn't love the term "Mental" either, so let's make that "Smarts." This works as the ability for Magic-users magic ability, "book smarts" and the acquisition of skills (important for everyone, but especially Thieves), as "street smarts." And thank you for reading my mind and breaking down the 4 Defenses/Saves for me! "Endurance", of course, will have to be linked to Persona (force of will to keep going?), since we don't have a "constitution score", whereas "Mental" would, somewhat clumsily, be linked to "Smarts". So, Abilities: Strength, Agility, Smarts, Persona and Defenses (as opposed to "saves"): [B]Physical (AC)[/B]: your defense against physical attack. I'm gonna propose your armor and Agility modifier (if any) [B]Reflex [/B](agility +smarts based): your defense against falling, for dodging attacks and avoiding (or, at least, lessening) area-effects [B]Mental[/B] (smarts + persona based): your defense against mind-effecting magics, "seeing through" illusions, fear and confusion effects [B]Endurance[/B] (strength + persona based): your defense against poisons, physical-effecting magics (polymorph, slow/haste, "death magic" etc.), exhaustion and environmental hazards As has always been the way, from Basic on through, these are by no means exhaustive in their coverage and DM "best/closest option" adjudications are expected to be made in play. An area effect "mass charm" spell, for example...is it Reflex or is it Mental? DM decides or, if being kind, player uses their best option. [/QUOTE]

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