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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5747241" data-attributes="member: 92511">So, it seems, on the Ability front we have 2 votes for "keep it the original 6 abilities"...using the 4d6, drop one, arrange (or in order, depending on the DM).I don't mind this, it certainly makes things easy for people/players who have played before. But it kinda flies in the face of "All Fours" that the most basic framework of the character gets 6 attributes instead of 4...Would it be "easier", more palatable, for people to accept 4 Abilities by keeping the original terms (no reason we have to reword everything, right?): Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence, Presence (still combining Wis. and Cha. so the cleric still gets their own main attribute)?Bonuses (assuming an 18 max Ability score)Strength/Body (Str.): 15: +1 to hit, +1 HP (since Con. gets lumped in with Str.), +1 to Fort. Defense; 16: +1 to hit, +1 damage, +2 HP, +2 to Fort. Defense; 17: +2 to hit, +1 damage, +3 HP, +3 to Fort. Defense; 18: +2 to hit, +2 damage, +4 HP, +4 to Fort. Defense.Dexterity/Agility (Dex.): 15: +1 to hit with missile wpns, +1 to AC AND Reflex Defense; 16: +2 to hit w/missiles, +2 AC & Ref. Defense; 17: +3 to hit w/missiles, +3 AC & Ref. Defense; 18: +4 to hit w/missiles, +4 AC & Ref. Defense.Intelligence/Mind (Int.): 15: +2 0lvl spells/day, +1 Skill point; 16: +1 1stlvl spell/day, +2 Skill points; 17: +1 2ndlvl spell/day, +3 Skill points; 18: +1 1st and +1 2nd OR +1 3rd lvl spells/day (player's choice), +4 Skill points(Note: the bonus Skill points are applied at beginning of play/character creation not applied every level) So a MU with 17 Int. will begin play capable of casting 4 0lvl/2 1lvl spells per day. The MU's bonus 2lvl spell will be added when the PC achieves 3rd lvl, when they can cast 2lvl spells.Presence/Heart (Pre.): 15:+1 1stlvl spell/day, +1 to Will Defense; 16: +1 1stlvl spell/day, +2 to Will Defense; 17: +1 2ndlvl spell/day, +3 to Will Defense; 18: +1 1st and +1 2nd OR +1 3rdlvl spell/day (player's choice), +4 to Will Defense(Note: bonus spells from high Presence scores are for Clerics only! [at least as far as this stage. They will be applicable to Bards and Druids when these classes are introduced in the next tier]) So a Cle with 17 Presence (Pre.) will be capable of casting 3 1lvl spells per day.Beginning Defenses (PC levels 1-4) CLERICFortitude: 8Reflex: 4Will: 12FIGHTERFortitude: 12Reflex: 8Will: 4MAGIC-USERFortitude: 4Reflex: 8Will: 12THIEFFortitude: 8Reflex: 12Will: 4AC, of course is dependent on one's armor +Dex. modifier (if any of those apply). Starting with a base of 2. with a max possible of 18 (without magical assistance).For armors, I'm thinking:Leather=base AC of 4some form of armor better than Leather but less than Chain= base AC 8Chain=base AC 12Plate=base AC 16 (and negates Dex. bonuses to AC)Shield adds +1.OR (for those who like more math)Leather= +4 to the AC 2 base (effective AC=6?)next armor= +8 (effective AC=10)Chain= +12 (effective AC=14)Plate= +16 (effective starting AC=18 but still negates Dex. modifiers)Shiled still adds +1.So a Fighter in non-magical Plate, with a shield, has an AC of 19.hmmm...yeah...well, we'd have to make Plate VERY cumbersome/detrimental to movement, negates Dex. bonuses, CombatRoll "to hit" on a d20.You need to roll the target's AC or higher.A roll of 20 still always hits. A roll of 1 still always misses (since you can still hit a person/creature who is completely unarmored with no Dex. adjustments on a 2).I dunno...is that all too wonky/complicated.You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I have absolutely NO idea how the whole 3e "BAB" thing works or its relation to AC or anything like that.I'm basically just looking at the AD&D/2e THAC0 and flipping it upside down so higher AC is better instead of lower (though I personally never had any issues with THAC0 or trying to get one's AC low).But am interested in keeping "bonuses" [instead of penalties] and "+ to whatever" instead of some "bonuses" being "+" for some things and "-" for others.) Again, we're trying to keep things "simple" for the new player (and in 4's <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )I want to maintain that "rolling HIGH is good" thing for combat. Keep that sense of utter ecstasy and elation when you see that Natural 20 come up on your roll. I dunno...so, ok. What do we think about the 3-18 spread for Abiltiy scores? Can we "get down with" the 4 Ability model instead of the 6?And how in the Nine Hells should combat work?! hahaha.Gooooooood mornnnnnin' ENworld!--SD</blockquote>

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