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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 8671591" data-attributes="member: 467">Emphasis mine.Those other things aren't games.It is obviously perfectly fine for people to engage in whatever degree of storytelling they like in their RPGs -- but that includes both &quot;only emergent&quot; and &quot;next to none.&quot; Players trying to make it through and out of a trap and monster laden dungeon, carrying as much gold on their persons as possible, is still a completely viable way to play D&amp;D -- regardless of edition (although some editions make it easier than others, or at least emphasize different things). Trying to figure out what the GM has in mind for a specific challenge is a core part of that sort of gameplay, and the GM coming up with ever more twisted traps and encounters is the way it stays fresh.Obviously not everyone -- or even many -- plays that way. But I don't think we should just handily disregard it as a valif form. If anything it is the original form, and everything else is a development after the fact. But those &quot;evolutions&quot; are not inherently superior or even preferable for everyone.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 8671591, member: 467"] Emphasis mine. Those other things aren't games. It is obviously perfectly fine for people to engage in whatever degree of storytelling they like in their RPGs -- but that includes both "only emergent" and "next to none." Players trying to make it through and out of a trap and monster laden dungeon, carrying as much gold on their persons as possible, is still a completely viable way to play D&D -- regardless of edition (although some editions make it easier than others, or at least emphasize different things). Trying to figure out what the GM has in mind for a specific challenge is a core part of that sort of gameplay, and the GM coming up with ever more twisted traps and encounters is the way it stays fresh. Obviously not everyone -- or even many -- plays that way. But I don't think we should just handily disregard it as a valif form. If anything it is the original form, and everything else is a development after the fact. But those "evolutions" are not inherently superior or even preferable for everyone. [/QUOTE]

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